@Nurse_Phillips "The vagina is simply the tube, but that’s what gives men pleasure so that’s all they give a hoot about.”
“There's little doubt that the word 'vagina' was used as the 'medical' way to refer to that area when I was growing up. Why? (and I can only speak for the US here) Because the vast majority of people who made decisions on sexual education etc were men, and to them the important structure was the vagina - that sheath that accepted the penis and provided a pathway for birth.”
“By referring to a woman's vulva as a vagina you're invalidating her sexuality as nothing more than a receptacle for your penis or a machine for making babies.”
That sounds pretty conspiratorial and victimhood seeking to me, and most other rational people, I'm sure.
Interesting you should react that way. I'm just making a historical observation and I'm far from alone in this observation. In no place in my writing have I mentioned 'conspiracy'. There's nothing conspiratorial about it, it's overt. Victim? In no place have I claimed victim status for myself or other women. I'm just calling out how things are. If, in your mind, that makes us victims, maybe you should think hard on that. Finally, did you know your little bit at the end is called the 'All True Scotsmen' argument? It's considered bad form in debate.
That's the whole point: a lot of words are misused and no one in their right mind claims it was done for some groups' personal benefit. And as I asked, how do these terrible guys who purposely miseducated people benefit by getting society to use the wrong term? It isn't even logical.
You're missing my point all together. I agree the word is misused. I'm pointing out the cultural conditioning that causes it's misuse.
In order for the movie to be appreciated, and it was a hit, in part because it was the first porn to actually have a plot, the audience had to know what a clitoris was. Obviously they knew what it was well before that. It had to have been a normalized word (meaning it was commonly understood for a loooong time) in order for the large audience to understand.
You may criticize this observation as being weak, but it's more objective than anything you've offered, typical rhetoric not withstanding.
It's weak because a) as a porno in the 70's it's far from mainstream. b) by it's very niche nature its audience was already self-selected and finally, c) it's very plot - the woman's clit was in her throat and she could only cum by giving oral to men - OK, you don't see the patriarchal wish-list there? Seriously? Read my words again. I don't say 'no one' knew what a clit was, I say a lot more men knew what a vagina was vs what a clitoris was. So you knew what a clit was, good for you. Did your father? How about your grandfather?
Yes, yes, yes. Misused nomenclature by both men and women is shit behavior on men's part. gotcha.
Again, not what I said nor what I implied.
btw, you're contradicting yourself. You're claiming women are being 'victimized' by this (lol), but you deny you're trying to claim victimhood status. A bit of logic goes a long way.
As I never claimed victimhood, there is no contradiction, you seem to keep wanting to award me victimhood status.
I have a file of articles and postings which I find interesting, humorous in their foolishness, reflective of some specific elements of society, or that I just might think I'd get a kick out of showing someone in the future (also some serious political/social postings). Your earlier posts in this thread, the ones I quoted to Jacana, have made it in my file 😃. Congratulations. Someone wants to quote you. (btw, I've attached no notation of where the writings come from, nor of course of your screenname).
Is this supposed to intimidate me?