Any tricks to open the ileocecal valve ?

I love to be filled up. 4 quarts at least. My large intestine is capable to accept it and some more. But accepting more than 5 quarts requires flowing into small intestine with opening the ileocecal valve between the small and the large intestines. Flowing into the small intenstine gives me another sensation that I really love it. However, I cannot control the valve and it does not open so frequently. Does anybody here give me your tricks to make it controllable please?

Using increased volume and pressure will do it. Firmly and vigorously massaging the lower right quadrant may help.

GENERALLY, THIS IS NOT RECOMMENDED because it forces colonic bacteria into the small intestine which is essentially sterile.

Thank you for your advice, Switchablesusie.

I do all that you advised, but it does not work so well. I usually do one to two times of large intestine clean with 4 quarts each before my trial to 5 quarts to minimize the risk. I'm not very sure if it really minimize though...

I take between 10 and 11 quarts most days.... I am healthy and quite fit. No ill effects.... Really do not know if the water is entering the ileum section of the small intestine or not. Used to when I took 4 quarts only, I'd get sick to my stomach and often throw up stuff that looked like the stuff that comes out of my rectum. This has not happened in about 5 years. I once got real sick from eating some kind of pork. Threw my guts up in New Orleans and it occurred then too..... Yuk...

I take between 10 and 11 quarts most days.... I am healthy and quite fit. No ill effects.... Really do not know if the water is entering the ileum section of the small intestine or not. Used to when I took 4 quarts only, I'd get sick to my stomach and often throw up stuff that looked like the stuff that comes out of my rectum. This has not happened in about 5 years. I once got real sick from eating some kind of pork. Threw my guts up in New Orleans and it occurred then too..... Yuk...

REALLY????

You take two and a half to two and three quarter GALLONS of enema water?

I'm inclined to say bullshit.

I think that Susie got it right.

hankb

To follow up on the claim of 2-1/2 gallons at one time let us consider:

The average baby weighs about eight pounds, and a gallon is 8.3 pounds. Add in a couple more pounds for placenta and amniotic fluid, say, total of 10 pounds. Look at how greatly her belly is extended at full term, which is 9 months of gentle stretching. How much more can Miker's belly swell in the few minutes it takes to fill him than it is now?

Another way is to remember that one gallon is 231 cubic inches. If we assume that the colon is 5 feet, 60", long, that means it has to become 3.85" in diameter. For 2-1/2 gallons, the corresponding number is 9.625", which is a hell of a stretch.

hankb

This goes high on the list of *Very Bad Ideas* for several reasons.

There are risks in even a simple low pressure low quantity tap water enema administered with every detail of safety covered.

The risks go up with each added element of risk exposure. At a certain point it's betting your life or just an amazingly stupidly PAINFUL set of consequences, Some of which are not per se lethal while others are lethal after prolonged spans of pain that might make suicide to escape it become thinkable.

For example- if you screw up and perforate your colon with so huge of an enema- it's all that much more likely that you WILL cause peritoneal infection!

If you don't win the Darwin Award's "Most Painful Death From STUPID Enema Misuse" on the first few rounds- it's not for apparent lack of trying.

Now, you may have a death wish you're flirting with in this fashion. But there's others who follow along in these forums who may have clue zero of whats involved and risked absent us SAYING SO.

All that said? Do the research in medical literature to Fact Check whatever a Kink Site says. Suppose someone malicious decided to jokingly suggest something deadly and a lackwitted imbecile proved evolution by actually doing the joke as if it were safe? Murder or suicide? See where i'm going?

Seriously- some of us may need extreme stimulation to get that which we need. And then it enters risk-to-reward evaluations on both personal and group levels. ARE we doing harm reduction in some discussions or just troll feeding- or letting a risk grow itself by NOT saying that Stupid risk is Stupid risk. Even smart people can get blindsided by the lure of a thrill.

SwitchableSusie, I don't know how I can convince you, but I do take that much water and if I don't I don't think I've had a good enema.

Thank you all for your honest opinions and advices.

But I would like not to impose each one's ideas to others. Risk is risk. Volume is volume. I do not want to limit any perspective to be disclosed here. I thought that this is the place where I can express my thoughts and ask questions to advanced people. Risk? Have you ever asked skydivers not to jump because 60 divers a year lost their lives in the US? Volume? Haven't you heard that enema water comes out of their mouth for very large volume trial? (I do not mean that miker does so)

I just asked the tricks. Whatever the tricks are posted here, it is our responsibility to use them or not.

I don't know if it was enema water that I threw up.... several years ago. I do know that about 20 or so years ago I got food poisoning so bad that I threw what looks like feces up. I have never been that sick since and I thank God for that... That was absolutely awful.

Once when I filled up with 6 quarts I felt a strange sensation on my right side low down in the belly, not painful just slightly strange, like I had inserted my enema tube really deeply inside me and felt it push against the inside of my colon quite high up (which is quite a pleasant sensation in itself!). This could have been the ileocecal valve opening, but I have no way of knowing for sure. At the time, feeling something I had not felt before, I did not try to fill myself up any further.

As far as danger is concerned I'd make 2 points. First, it really is not a competition to see who can take the biggest enema, just do what you find enjoyable, and don't try to compete with any one else's claims. Secondly, listen to your body - if it feels at all painful (I mean beyond the intense fullness sensation that is normal with a very large enema) then STOP! As others have said, causing serious damage to yuor body is not the objective.

As far as Miker's comments are concerned, if you really manage to get 10 to 11 quarts of water inside you at one go, and you suffer no ill effects, well good luck to yuo. Personally I felt so incredibly full and stretched with one and a half gallons inside me that I just can't imagine geting another full gallon in.

Richardrgrs

Thank you for your kind advice. I agree with the points you mentioned. I do not want to take any risks. But in reality, we might have some higher risk than those who don't take such volume. That's why we must be very careful.

miker

I am really amazed that you could take 11 quarts at once. I am sure that the small intestine also participated. I recall that entire intestines length is from 7 to 9 meters. Assuming all 9 meters are full, the average diameter could become 3.8 cm (of course the large and the small should be different though). I suppose this is really full anyway. As I mentioned before, I could take 6 quarts once. At that time, it was so full that I could not keep abdominal breathing. Did you have such breathing difficulty then?

Reality, no, no problems breathing. I've worked up to this volume over the years. I remember when Mom would give me my enemas, I always got this strange feeling as the water filled my intestine.... a sort of soothing feeling. I have not been able to replicate that feeling, but taking these large enemas is quite euphoric. Getting the water out is also no problem..... The second bag after 3 quarts are in goes in slowly, but the bags that follow empty in rather fast. The top of the bottle is suspended about 2 feet above my rectum and I always use the knee-chest position.

Miker,

Great! You are the highest capacity holder I have ever heard of. I have also very comfortable feeling when the water flow into my small intestine, although the volume is even half of yours. Be careful and enjoy.

Best trick is DON'T DO IT! Many years ago, radiologists did this to achieve a "small bowel enema", injecting huge quantities of barium in a patient, usually under sedation. Thank God now they just have you drink the stuff, often and let it trickle down until it starts coming out the south end. I've had this done when I was diagnosed with colon cancer and they wanted to see if my small bowel was involved. I never had a BaE, since colonoscopy I.D.'d my tumor.

I don't know why these people feel the need to spew the bullshit about the huge volumes they supposedly take. Nobody believes their crap so why waste our time posting it.

The average human colon is about five feet long and opens to about three inches diameter. That corresponds to a volume of about seven quarts. women genrally have longer colons (transverse colon is longer), up to about one foot and so they may hold up to eight quarts.

In a few cases, there may be one or two extra loops in the sigmoid colon which will increase the capacity.

As for the bullshitter claiming 11 quarts, consider that much water weighs 23 pounds. You, sir, are a liar!

Further, your bowel does not stretch like a balloon increacing your capacity, you capacity is your capacity and will remain teh same for your entire life.

Unless you have some defect in your ileocecal valve, your anus will open long before it will and you will spew enema unctrollably out you ass. When the pressure in your intestines, specifically your rectum, reaches a certain point, you will lose control and out comes the water. even if the valve were forced open, it does not reamin open like a door, it will immediately close as soon as enough water passes through to relieve the pressure. So if you somehow forced it open, it would immediatley close then open again when the pressure was high enough.

As far as water reaching your stomach, that is ABSOLUTELY impossible! You would have to force the ileocecal valve open, then fill about 23 feet of small intestine, then for the pyloric valve open.

Radiologists do not force barium enema into the small intestine now or in the past! Small bowel barium enemas actually involved a surgical procedure where a small incsion was made and a tube inserted into the small intestine.

The amount of bullshit and misinformation put out by people who have no idea what they are talking about is staggering.

@ AquaManH20

thank you for calling out the bull shit..

Small bowel enema really follow through can be done from above. Insert LeVine tube nasally. The tube will pass to the si then gastrorgraphine is flushed down . Sounds like no fun

@AquaManH20

I agree with you about the capacity bullshit, but the radiological exam is real - it's called the "complete reflux small bowel examination" and was invented by Roscoe Miller in the 1960's. As far as I can tell it never really caught on, and was not really used after the 70's. I quote from one of his case report papers published in 1965 (American Journal of Surgery, vol. 109 p. 572) (by which point he had used this method on over 75 patients)

"The complete reflux small bowel examination is an extension of the limited examination of the terminal ileum frequently carried out during the contrast examination of the colon. The complete small bowel from the level of the ileocecal valve to the duodenal bulb is examined u n d e r fluoroscopic control by continued reflux of barium from the colon.... Subsequent to the colon examination the regular 20 per cent weight/volume suspension of special prepared barium is permitted to continue to flow under fluoroscopic control into the small bowel until the duodenum is identified. The duodenum is usually identified after 4,000 to 4,500 cc. is given, although we have reached the duodenum after administering only 2,000 cc. of barium suspension. If difficulty is encountered in obtaining ileocecal reflux, the barium is left "on," but the height of the enema apparatus is not raised more than 3 feet above the table top."

One of the reasons that I think the huge capacities reported here are bullshit is that Dr. Miller reported reaching the duodenum (the closest part of the small intestine to the stomach) after only 4-5 quarts.

Remember: The stomach will normally empty a part of it's contents into the small intestine about every 20 minutes or so. Likewise the small intestine will empty a part of it's content into the large intestine at about the same interval, but NOT always at the same time. If you want to clear the small intestine, you have to clear the entire tract.

Start with fasting. At least 8 hours, better 12!

That clears the stomach. Nothing there to keep emptying into the small intestine.

Take the Bisacodyl tablets at least a couple of hours BEFORE you start the enemas

Then take your enemas till clear. That clears the large intestine, and creates a clear path for the matter in the small intestine to come out the rectum when the bisacodyl kicks in.

I'm inclined to believe Miker's statement about his capacity. Years ago I had the pleasure of speaking with legendary Sherry Taylor of Sherema, and asked her about increasing enema capacity. She told me that it certainly can be increased with extended practice. She said that she knew people who had worked up to 10 quarts. I believe her.

Those of us who have taken very large volumes know the truth. I think many who read and reply to these volume threads are interested in increasing volume, and are seeking peers to discuss it with. Those who seem to get really upset by talk of large volumes and post about it being a lie should just quit reading these threads and enjoy being calmer.

Gallonist, I too enjoy the full feeling of both the colon and small intestine being completely full, but I don't try to set any records. It's not about how much you can hold, its about filling to your limit, not beyond. For me, my limit is around 5 quarts, but if I fill the small intestine first I can usually get to 7 quarts without throwing up. I have on a couple occasions tried more, but throwing up enema even from the small intestine is very unpleasant and a mood killer.

Switchablesusie is correct about not forcing enema from the colon into the small intestine, but I have managed to take several high volume enemas after a good cleanout with the use of a 54 inch long colon tube inserted past the ileocecal valve at least 12 inches or more into the small intestine. The enema flows into the small intestine first, then it flows back into the colon for a complete fill without forcing bacteria into the small intestine. Getting the colon tube to snake into the small intestine is a bit tricky, but with practice and being very careful not to force it, you should be able to get it into the small intestine.

Take the enema slow or you might get water into the stomach before the colon is full. This flow down method is practically cramp free as long as it is administered slowly.

siliconenozzles has a good selection of long colon tubes. The CT-75French Silicone Serpentine Colon Tube is available up to 68 inches long. If you prefer smaller diameter the CT-54French Silicone Serpentine Colon Tube is available up to 54 inches long. I reach the small intestine at around 30 inches, everyone is different.

Gallonist,

See my post in Large Volume Air Enemas. After a good cleanout and after all water is expelled, air will open the ileocecal valve a lot easier than water.

I think this is dangerous on several accounts; risk of developing megacolon, bursting the large bowel (especially if you have diverticula) and inducing retrostalsis ( where peristalsis reverses and you start vomiting intestinal content) THEN YOU ARE INTRODUCING strep. faecalis, proteus, klebsiella, E. Coli, pseudomonas and clostridium into the small bowel and stomach. If you vomit and aspirate the material, you create a bad gram negative lung infection that can kill you.

As Deb always says, " Please play safe" and live to play many more times. Stick to 3 qts. max. and repeat, if you want. For klysmos., it's about the pleasant feelings of the enema filling you up, not competitive massive quantity taking.

I don't know why there are people on here that say taking large volume enemas is bullshit. I know I have taken almost 8 quarts on very few occasions and have taken 6 quarts many times. I am not one to bullshit. Now as far as taking 10 or 11 quarts, I guess I would have to see that, but I am not going to say this is bullshit as I have not seen this tried. I know I surely don't think I could ever come anywhere near this.

Bill

Were all different but i agree on the extreme amounts being medicaly impossable! first buy a digital faria fuel flow analizer we use them in boats it has a little transducer with 3/8 hose barbs, pop it in your line and it measures the exact amount going into the colon. you can also see flow rate and running total for the year a great tool and easy to use, i suspect theres some strange way your measuring total fluid volume or you have a serious leak ive been at it a long time my colon is 44inches long and holds .6gal or a bit over 2 qts my small intestine can hold about 2qts the ileocecal valve is not a perfect check valve it really looks and acts like the outer vaginal lips or flaps and does not take much effort to pass thru. at autopsy i,m sure you can remove my colon and stretch it with a human pulling on each end to get the 6 feet that many books claim we have but it real life and in use its much shorter its also about the size of a shop vac hose its bigger on the cecum side and smaller on the decending side. if you make a slit and remove all my abdominal organs i don,t think i could hold 2.5 gallons and i,m a 200 poung guy

Hi Wildbill. I agree with you, it really is possible and (to some of us) enjoyable to take large volume enemas. My personal limit to date is just over 6 quarts, and I felt extremely full and pressurized at this volume, but it was not painful and I enjoyed the sensations immensely. I've tried for more but the water wouldn't flow into me, and I bauylked at raising the water container higher to increase the pressure. I can however believe that others are able to take more, although like you I have yet to see pictures/videos of 10 or 11 quart enemas. I certainly can't imagine myself being able to contain that much! But as I've said in other posts, it's NOT a competition, do what you enjoy.

I am into taking large volume enemas, and regularly take six quarts. Every now and then, I've taken eight quarts, but that is a sometimes thing and most times not. I am incredulous about 10 quarts or 12 quarts.

Lets see, a quart of water weighs about 2 pounds. 4 quarts weighs about 8 pounds. 6 quarts about 12 pounds. 8 quarts about 16 pounds. Large volumes do stress internal muscles. I've felt the weight.

As far as the colon goes, it's mostly stretchy protein. My understanding is that if you remove an animal colon from the body you can blow it up like a baloon. So the colon is not the limiting factor. It's the container (i.e. abdomen) it's in that is the limiting factor.

The abdominal muscles are a fixed size and shape. I've been fat & I've been thin, and in general, thin is better, since the abdominal muscles are also mostly protein and can stretch. Fat does not stretch. A layer of fat acts as a girdle that does not stretch. Fat also interlaces the abdominal muscles and makes them less stretchy. (Think of marbled beef: that is fat interlaced in the muscle.) The problem here is at what point do you cause a rupture in the abdominal wall. There was a male poster on another thread who claimed he got a hernia bubble while giving himself a five quart enema and it was very expensive surgery to correct. (I've been more careful since he said that.) I have a friend who, for other (non-enema) reasons, had surgery on her abdominal muscles and the doctors overlaid nylon mesh to hold the abdominal muscles together. The healing muscles grew into the mesh. It took her months and months of special care to heal. So obviously, rupturing the muscle wall would be bad news.

In general, a larger person is a bigger container and can hold more water. Women have wider hips which may allow them to contain more water, but they are usually smaller persons. Warm water helps too since the protein in muscles will stretch more when it is warm. Gas in your colon is a real limitation since it causes uncomfortable bubbles in the colon.

I am six feet tall and 245 pounds and again regularly do six quart enemas. Even then, I usually start with one or two four quart clean outs. I too would like to know how to get the ileo valve to open (on demand.) I've had it happen and felt the water flowing into my small intestines and been able to take more water in an enema. I usually take my enemas fast, but have found that I can hold more water if I take the enema slow. I think the water is being absorbed by my body like a sponge. Especially the liver.

Another limitation, if you are retaining your enemas for long, is water intoxication. Remember that woman a few years ago who drank two gallons of water to "Hold Your wee to win a Wii" and died of water intoxication. If you are getting headaches after your enemas, you are getting the effects of water intoxication. (It causes the brain to swell with water, and there is no room in the skull for the brain to swell.)

See this thread for the poster that got a hernia while taking a large volume enema:

http://www.zity.biz/index.php?mx=forum;ox=display;topic=72738

PS: There is also a LOT of difference in volume between American quarts & gallons and English quarts & gallons.