Does capacity really matter to you

Adding baking soda will for sure help you taking a larger quantity

Adding baking soda will for sure help you taking a larger quantity

@refdk How would baking soda assist with that? And how much do you need to use?

I dont take enemas that often, maybe once a month for "good measure", but since early adulthood have almost always been able to take 2 2qt bags. Now I just use a 4 qt bag and usually manage the whole thing with some upper abdominal distension.

This is after first clearing the lower bowel of bulky fecal masses, then using an as warm as possible solution, an extra long nozzle to deliver solution directly into the sigmoid, and using a Higginson bulb to manually pump it in. This is important because if any cramping starts up it allows you to basically halt the flow until cramps subside before continuing.

After a couple of rounds, I get a thorough, end to end cleanout.

I don't really care as long as it works. I usually use a one quart bag or four of the 8 oz red bulbs. Most of the time it does the job. Sometimes I need a little more. so I do another two bulbs or a half a bag.

I generally know how much I have available and how much I'm getting. But I don't care very much, as long as it feels good, which is a combination of the state of my bowels at start, enema volume, and the laxative (if any) strength.

@Carl Shurama

Adding baking soda may not increase your capacity per se. The available volume in your colon depends upon a number of factors. What the baking soda seems to do is reduce the irritation of the colon muscles with the introduction of water. Baking soda is very slightly caustic. At least that's my experience.

How much? Depends upon what you want. If you want a longer retention time for a nice, easy clean out but you don't mind some water absorption, one teaspoon per quart/liter will accomplish this. This gives an approximate sodium concentration of 120 my/dl. I may add some sea salt to this mixture. Want minimal water absorption? Increase to one tablespoon per quart/liter. This brings the sodium concentration up to ~360 mg/dl.

You'll find the one tablespoon per quart recommendation in the enema FAQ documents in this section.

BTW, this concentration is my favorite for really long retention time. I max out between between 3.5 and 4.5 quarts most times. Usually in progression from first clean out to second or third filling, the volume increases. The other thing that happens with the soda bicarbonate is that it is a natural lubricant (it has a certain slippery feeling) and the feeling of the solids sliding out during the expulsion is magnified for me. But I go with what feels good without pushing myself too far into discomfort.

Capacity or quantity doesn't matter very much to me. Although I have done large enemas, 3+ quarts, I don't need to "fill up" completely, nor fill up an e-mate, for satisfaction. I usually prefer to take, get, or give multiple enemas in any enema play session. Quality over quantity.

Capacity is totally irrelevant to me. Although I've done just a very few 4-qt enemas (which I sense is about my limit), that volume is not terribly comfortable for me. I find a nice warm SSE or Epsom Salts enema of about 2 to 3 quarts is my ideal quantity in terms of enjoyment and comfort. I can hold that volume for a period of time, enjoy the sensations, and let the enema do it's work as I move around, change positions, and rub my belly.......and whatever else. 😃

Volume makes no difference for me. Like others I believe quality is much more important than quantity. A few decades ago I tried taking larger enemas (3-4) quarts but didn't notice any difference int he results. So now I generally take a bagful which is about 2 qts. It does the job quite nicely.

Quantity per se isn't the ultimate factor, but in my youth for 20-30 years I routinely did 2-2.5 quarts and loved it. As I read more of Zity and learned more of others' experience and training, I gradually moved to 3, 3.5, 4, and one single time of 5 quarts.Honestly, 4.5 quarts is not my absolute limit limit obviously, but it's where I feel most comfortable, beautifully filled and distended, but able to hold for as long as I want, doing some interesting mild exercise while holding. Of course, the solution composition makes things more ore less interesting and comfortable or challenging as well. My usual supremely comfortable, noncrampy mix is normal saline 1 tsp salt per quart, plus 1 tsp plain Castile a Soap per quart of enema.

I did 3 quarts today with just 1/3 more Castile Soap than usual (4 tsp in 3 quarts instead of the usual 3), which I'm not sure I'd even notice, but even though absolutely no cramps occurred, it gave me many many intense needs to push out of my low rectum. In the process, I learned to not let it make me evacuate during those urges, but rather hold my double balloon firmly up against my ass, totally relax, and not poop. It was an intense learning experience, but I did it.

I really can't wait now to get my new order of Bronners plain, lavender and peppermint soaps coming this week. Now I think those will be a new learning experience I will love to start ASAP.

Eric

Eric,

You will find each of the Dr. B's soaps have a different "feel" to them. You will enjoy all of them, just some more than others. Enjoy!

Dan

For me, it doesn't really matter. What ever feels good is fine for me. My limit seems to be about 2 quarts. A little less than two liters feels best most of the time. I don't see any reason to force more inside--why should I?

Nausea is not pleasant. :-\\

I have two bags, my red 4 qt, and a camping water heater which holds 5 gal. If I use the former, my limit is 4 qts, and if I use the latter, I go as much as 6 qts if I feel like it. I cannot say that I can tell the difference in feeling between the two, so I am not sure how I decide which to use.

hankb

Ilffer, (Dan?),

Eric,

You will find each of the Dr. B's soaps have a different "feel" to them. You will enjoy all of them, just some more than others. Enjoy!

Dan

I tried Bronner's plain and then Lavender yesterday, with good results. Nice lavender smell, but fairly subtle. I haven't tried the Peppermint (which is much stronger aroma and NOT subtle at all!). I'll do either Peppermint or Club Soda tonight.

Eric

Dick

My amber latex bag was advertised as a 2 Qt. bag but when I used an actual measuring cup, I found it to actually hold 2 3/4 Qts.! A nice surprise and a large enough enema for my needs. No wonder some of those enemas felt more than filling!

It does matter to me,although it is not so much the measure of the liquid that is sucha big deal. It is more a matter of how the Enema makes me feel and I know that to me bigger volume is more enjoyable for me.

To increase the volume that I take, use baking soda and hot water at 39 ° C.

Beyond taking enough enema to be effective I am in the process of learning that the actual measure of the enema isn't important.

Usually I'm somewhere between 2 and 3 quarts, but there are times when 1.5 is all I need and it works well, and going bigger just increases the discomfort for that enema. Now all that sounds good and mature, but it doesn't always work out that way. There are days (all too often) where I'm feeling full and I look up at the enema bag that still has solution in it and start telling myself that "I'm not done, there's still water" and "just be a man." Usually if I've measured an appropriate amount into the bag things still work out but, as noted, there's more urgency and a feeling of being "too full." If I get too much water in the bag and insist on trying for all of it, however, then for some odd reason I can have an awful, extended, unproductive expulsion. I have no idea why putting more water into my bowel would cause it to not work as well, but it happens. Maybe I piss it off and it goes on strike?

I agree that it matters and varies. Whether I'm receiving or giving we can't always take the same volume. I have had partners that easily take 2 or more quarts that on some days can't take a single quart, depends on the state of the bowel I would conclude.

I am more focused on effectiveness, that is getting the colon empty in the fewest possible rounds.

I use the volume needed to do that.

I want to feel the enema working, yes, but the fact that it works thoroughly is more important

Don't like cramps or large enema. Just enough to feel its warmth and flow.

In a word, YES. Due to my age I keep them at 4 liters or a bit less if cramping badly. In earlier enema life I was at 5 liters, a few times approaching 6. I had to work up to that of course.

A while back I asked MikaCare if they would consider making 5 and 6 liter bags. The lady responded that she had never heard of such large bags. I assured her that 5 liter bags are already available via Optimal Health Network. A 6 liter bag though would be awesome. Even though I can no long empty one, I'd buy it anyway.

My early school age experiences involved taking enemas in the knee-chest position in the hall bathtub for my care-giver. The 'health' regimen she imposed in her home-care setting while my parents were away on the weekends and during long summer vacations, required me to take a series of copious soapsuds enemas up as 'high' into my colon as possible for her, usually administered very warm through a red rubber rectal tube. My fillings were almost always delivered up to the 'very top' with her as my 'coach', massaging my bloated tummy while encouraging me to "open myself up inside" for her. As a result, I constantly felt that I was on the verge of losing all control as the water squirted ever higher inside me. The strong Ivory Soap solutions that my care-giver preferred created abdominal cramping, indicating (I was told) that I was getting a really good clean-out, causing an ever increasing urgency to expel. Taking all of the water that she asked of me made me feel quite proud of myself and soon discovered that I very much liked submitting to her in the bathroom. I came to realize at a very early age that I especially liked that 'helpless' feeling of being totally naked and filled right to the brim, then needing quite desperately her permission get on the toilet to empty my colon for her inspection. More often than not, another very soapy and difficult-to-hold enema was prepared for me while I sat watching nude from the toilet. My favorite (lo..these many years later) continues to be a large-volume soapy enema consisting of 2.5 quarts to (when I can handle it) 3.5 full quarts, only now I have to use a double balloon type inflatable nozzle to do so successfully. Yes, I do realize that smaller amounts and less soapy solutions are probably a better choice as I've gotten older, but in order to re-live those really intense physically/emotionally satisfying feelings that came from being trained to take frequent enemas from pre-school age right thru my junior high-school years that I spent in her care, BIGGER is definitely better.

Although I don't set a volume goal I feel like I need to get to, I do like to see a large bulging bag waiting for me (more as a possibility). There are a couple of exceptions. Those are soapy glycerin enemas that I want to leave space to work and those enemas that are before running/races.

Not really a concern to me! Enjoy them whether it’s an 8oz bulb or 3 quarts bag!

Yes! i love building a lady up to taking more and more water for me. nothing painful but starting with the standard 2 quarts then 3, etc.

that distension is a HUGE turn on to me. my wife could not take a full gallon but she did get a full 2 liter enema and an 8oz. soapy bulb full as well.

we both enjoyed what we called shadow dancing where she would show off her full belly with shadows on the wall from candles in our bedroom.

Not in the least. Its the quality of the enema, the solution you use, the time you retain. I think each of us has a volume presence For me its three quarts. It does the job with what i add. Not going for the quantity record. LOL

.... distension is a HUGE turn on to me. my wife could not take a full gallon but she did get a full 2 liter enema and an 8oz. soapy bulb full as well.

Yes! distention is a big turn on for me as well. Not sure why, though.... I'm not turned on by pregnancy or anything related to that; so why is a big enema swollen belly? - and oh even better if it's with strong soapy water.

I really enjoy infusing my belly as big and full as I can. I love to feel it so tight and hard, with either air or water. Both have equal fascination for me. I use a little aquarium pump which can take 30 minutes to fill me up. The maximum pressure the pump can put out feels like the most I can stand, so it's perfect. I just let it go up to that point and hold it for a couple of hours. Since I started using the air pump a year ago it seems to have increased my capacity for water, which I can measure. For water I use two full Klystra Olympic bags. One is older and has stretched to 4-1/2 Q and the newer one is 4. I take in the whole 4-1/2 Q and just hold it for about 15 minutes. Then I let about a quart of it go and start the second bag and take as much as feels comfortable, which is about half, so I get at least 5, maybe 5-1/2 quarts in me. It feels so great and I feel so cleaned out after. Refreshing. I always use 1 spoonful of salt per quart. That prevents edema because the colon will not absorb liquid that is saltier than normal blood chemistry. I do the water in the morning, then at my desk in the evening I use the aquarium pump, and I inflate and deflate my belly several times. I love the feeling when am pumped up until it's a tight as a drum. I have a nebulizer air pump which I have tried very carefully, as it pumps a lot of air at a rather high pressure, so it could be dangerous. I love my colon and I want to keep playing as I have for over 20 years. I am rather fit and slim, weighing 160 lbs. I feel like I'm emulating pregnant women, wanting to experience momentarily how they feel at nine months.

In response to the question posed, capacity means little to me. It's just pleasurable preparing the enema, inserting the nozzle, whichever one I chose, and going with the flow. When I feel full, regardless how much has been taken, I don't push to take more.