Rectal Nozzles vs Colon Tubes

Have much preferred nozzles through many years of enemas. Had one series, however, with a thick

colon tube that was very enjoyable: totally different sense of filling , penetration & cramping. Which do you prefer and why ?

Although I enjoy enemas given with a variety of nozzles, my serious preference is for colon tubes. My current favourite is a 54 inch 60 Fr thick red rubber tube that is sufficiently flexible to make full insertions possible. The journey is always very enjoyable and erotic. The feeling of an enema filling the colon from the top down is the ultimate excitement.

I much prefer my colon tube as i get much more of a sexual arousal from it. what i want now is to be fucked with it in me.

Well, I have never been able to get anywhere with a colon tube. It always coils up just inside. I have tried several times with the same result.

Bill

Tried a colon tube three times and the last time it coiled up inside. Then tried an 18-inch neoprene nozzle and have found it to deliver more consistent, reliable and efficient cleaning results.

I have interest in colon tubes, but am concerned about the possibility of perforations. While the idea of a colon tube is interesting, its no fun if you end up in the ER. Is there a knack to them?

I've used them both. Nozzles are far easier to use by yourself, i have found that colon tubes are better with two people, It can be a pain trying to work the tube up and in by yourself. At least i haven't had one twist up in me.

I use a variety of nozzles, it all depends on my mood as to which one i use on her.colon tubes are good for a really good cleaning and to het high up in the colon. the knack to them is DONT PUSH IF YOU FEEL RESISTANCE.turn the flow on and you will find the tube will go in easier and further.

I don't get to take enemas very often but when I do I love the feeling of being really cleaned out. I have no problem taking 4 quarts at a time. I use the standard cheap plastic douche nozzle with an extra hole drilled through the tip. I also have a 24" silicone colon tube that I can't seem to get more than 12" in. Just wondering your opinion on if a Colon tube is really worth working all the way in there or if I can get a good "fill" with just a nozzle in the rectum and switching positions? I have been looking at nozzles on the internet, is it better to get one that gets into the sigmoid?

Welcome to the group. As for nozzle vs. colon tube; it all comes down to what the individual enjoys at the time. Having a variety of nozzles, tubes, bags, bulbs, makes for a custom Enema for how you feel at the time. So the answer would be to go for what does it for you at the time.

Enjoy!

Dan

If you are taking 4 quarts at one time you are definitely getting the enema well up into your high colon- you would have to because that amount of volume would definitely fill well beyond your sigmoid bend. Either a nozzle or colon tube can achieve a good fill.

I have favored colon tubes over nozzles because it does inject the enema deeper into the colon, but my overall capacity really doesn't increase because of where the enema is actually injected. When I am doing larger volume enemas my capacity is driven by body position. I get the best fills when my hips are elevated and the enema drains into my descending colon and beyond.

I would agree with ilfer, choose what feels good and have a variety of tubes and nozzles to play around with. Each creates a different feel.

You can get a great fill by just using a nozzle or tube in the rectum. That is my usual method, and by using a couple of quarts of water (2 qt SSE and 3-4 quart rinse) I keep myself running pretty smoothly. I do use multiple positions, though if you get up in the 3+ quart range that becomes less important as there's enough water to fully fill the colon no matter how you arrange yourself. You'll probably find that there are some ways that are more comfortable, however 😉 .

My usual combo of positions is starting lying on my right side in Sims (bottom leg out, top leg folded), move to knee-chest, then left side, then back on my back. I retain for a while there, perhaps moving to knee-chest again, then release. For the second enema I usually use fewer positions, definitely no left side, and let comfort dictate when I switch and what I switch to. The big thing to keep in mind is that for most enemas comfort is good - if you're comfortable you'll relax and the enema will work better and be generally nicer.

You might want to get a more bulbous nozzle if you're going to be changing positions. I like my SiliconeNozzles Model S, it's comfortable to put in and hold and it's never popped out on me. There are some smaller nozzles that work well, too, and yours might be just fine.

This isn't to discount colon tubes - they can be fun as well. You do need to be more careful, and I find colon tubes to be better as a second or later enema as things will be cleared out and the colon will be "wet" and a bit easier to feed the tube into. Don't get too small or go too fast.

I always start out with a large butt plug nozzle and run in about a quart and a half, fucking myself with the nozzle while I do it. Then I take the nozzle out and top off my bag if I want to do five or six quarts or do not top it off if I do not. This puts enough water in to expand my sigmoid and then my colon tube will go in fairly easily. Without the preliminary fill, the colon tube sort of runs into a wall and will not go further. Having put the colon tube in, I lie on my back and let the rest of the water go in, giving me four quarts or more.

While it is true that if I put four quarts in using a nozzle of some kind, the water would make it most or all of the way to the end of the colon, using a colon tube makes it more certain to fill all of the way, ensuring a better cleanout. Also, it is more fun for me to put the colon tube in than using only a nozzle.

hankb

Just wondering your opinion on if a Colon tube is really worth working all the way in there or if I can get a good "fill" with just a nozzle in the rectum and switching positions? I have been looking at nozzles on the internet, is it better to get one that gets into the sigmoid?

It may be (for some people) easier to get a good fill if the tube is in the sigmoid, but since you get 4 quarts in anyway, it won't be any help to you.

A long colon tube will NOT get the water any farther inside you than a nozzle. The water ALWAYS goes farther than the nozzle or colon tube. WATER IS A LIQUID and will change its shape to get around the bends of the colon as well as feces inside, which a colon tube cannot. Read the posts of people who do deep insertions and they all say to be cleaned out BEFORE working the colon tube far inside.

Let me advise further on colon tubes: When you put them (Fr.24) on the end of a rectal nozzle, they CAN slip off if you insert them too far ---- . Something to consider!

Go slow, "listen" to your colon and do not force it. If you "hit a wall" back off a little and let the water flow a bit, then try to advance but easy does it.

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It's made of solid rubber, is 29" long, nearly 3/4" in diameter with a 1/2" bore, and has a solid rounded end with 2 vent holes on the sides.

A blob of Astroglide Silicone Diamond Gel lube gets it past the bends and all the way to the end, resulting in a unique cleaning experience.

Just my 2¢.

I don't get to take enemas very often but when I do I love the feeling of being really cleaned out. I have no problem taking 4 quarts at a time. I use the standard cheap plastic douche nozzle with an extra hole drilled through the tip. I also have a 24" silicone colon tube that I can't seem to get more than 12" in. Just wondering your opinion on if a Colon tube is really worth working all the way in there or if I can get a good "fill" with just a nozzle in the rectum and switching positions? I have been looking at nozzles on the internet, is it better to get one that gets into the sigmoid?

When I was a young adolescent giving myself enemas in the shower, I was able to give myself a really complete set of fillings with the relatively short curved tube that was attached to the bag and the hose...typically on the order of 128 to 160 fluid ounces (I filled the bag with a 16 oz. aluminum cup and would count how many it took to fill me up). The liquid will seek the path of least resistance to equalize the pressure and fill the space available to it. As Suzy points out, for most people, four quarts is more than enough to fill most of the colon.

I have some very long tubes and the ones I am most success with are the 75 fr (1-inch diameter) tubes. And although they will most likely work their way around any material in the colon, they work best when the colon is relatively clear. Even then, they won't always make the turns. And if they seem to be stuck or resisting moving forward, it is time to stop and try another time. And, it is also a matter of preference.

I like the sensation of being filled from "the other end" of the colon when I can get my longest tubes around the hepatic flexure. But that has also come with practice and knowing my own anatomy.

Don't let anything said here turn you off colon tubes, they're fun as long as you trust yourself or your e-giver to play safe. You just don't need them for a good enema.

A word of caution. You may have diverticula that is not known, unless it is picked up on colonoscopy. One of our members, Azdiane's hubby inserted a colon tube when it got stuck. He thought he just needed to push it harder. He punctured a diverticula with the tube and started bleeding heavily. He had a bowel resection and temporary colostomy for a year, before it healed. She talked about what a nightmare it was with his colostomy. He is an older man and diverticula tend to become more prevalent with age. Please don't make the same mistake.

I like the sensation of being filled from "the other end" of the colon when I can get my longest tubes around the hepatic flexure. But that has also come with practice and knowing my own anatomy.

Enema Runner, you and I are very much alike, except my hepatic flexure never hangs up my 1-inch tube. It only hangs sometimes in my lower sigmoid or my splenic flexure. I love getting filled from the other end too!

I also love enemas with a huge nozzle like the Silicon Nozzles SNCMAX3, 3-inches wide in the rectum, and 2-inches wide into the lower sigmoid. I love filling the lower foot with silicone, and the upper four feet with water!

My enema sessions now start with the huge nozzle and end with the colon tube.

Enema Runner, you and I are very much alike, except my hepatic flexure never hangs up my 1-inch tube. It only hangs sometimes in my lower sigmoid or my splenic flexure. I love getting filled from the other end too!

I also love enemas with a huge nozzle like the Silicon Nozzles SNCMAX3, 3-inches wide in the rectum, and 2-inches wide into the lower sigmoid. I love filling the lower foot with silicone, and the upper four feet with water!

My enema sessions now start with the huge nozzle and end with the colon tube.

I've concluded that the turn at the hepatic flexure is probably around 120-135°. I can certainly feel the tube tip rise up behind my liver before reaching that turn. And, if I'm on my back while inserting the tube, the passage of the tube tip across my transverse colon is visible on my abdomen.

Sometimes the tube passes through very easily, sometimes not. I'm just playing safely.

Enema Runner, We've got a few anatomical differences. You're right. Never force a colon tube.

I have a similar experience with my tube in my transverse colon. I can always feel on the way in and on the way out. I can feel it both internally and with my hand. I love that feeling!

I don't see my tube going through my transverse like you do. I'd love to. I wonder why I don't. It's not because of subcutaneous fat. My abs are well defined from my bellybutton to my sternum. Maybe it's visceral fat between my colon and abdominal wall, a thicker than normal abdominal muscles or abdominal wall, or a softer grade of silicone. My CT-75 is '10 Soft' silicone. Is yours the stiffer '18 Mildly Firm' or the #12 silicone they no longer make it in?

Getting back to the original question @chefbv had,

What is the value of a colon tube?

1. Colon tubes are more fun than practical. You get some nice sensations inserting them and using them. It also puts you in an almost surreal state of mind, a perverse psychological high, or 'mind fuck' as I like to call it, when you experience getting something really deep into your body. I like urethral sounding for the same reason. It's probably what drives deep throaters and sword swallowers too, (no experience)

2. Colon tubes make high volume enemas easier by reducing the urge to expel during an enema. The theory is that deep injection avoids stimulating the sensitive nerves in the rectum, inner sphincter, and bottom of the sigmoid that often trigger expulsion reflexes. This works in my experience.

HOWEVER, a 12-inch retention nozzle is just as good at reducing expulsion reflexes, I think.

3. Colon tubes inserted deep in the colon are probably the best way to wash out the final 10% of solids if you want to get as clean and empty as possible. Everything is always flowing out and washing out in the same direction. Unless you've been fasting for a day or two, however, these benefits are only transient. Your ileocecal valve could suddenly open, as it does every few hours, and dump a new batch of goop into your ascending colon.

A fun thing to do is leave the colon tube in and get a continuous inside-out flow going for however long you like. ProV1 has a rig he can use to keep his bag full with a hose going into his bag that he controls while his enema is in progress. I've done it by hooking up my tube inside me to my shower shot with the diversion valve set to deliver low flow rate of a under a gallon per minute.

If your primary goal is getting the whole colon clean and empty fast, I have these two nozzle recommendations. Get: (1) a soft silicone retention plug as large as you can insert quickly; (2) a 12 inch retention nozzle designed to go a few inches into the sigmoid that has a large retention ball to seal the rectum just above the anus. I'd go with at least a 1.5-inch diameter nozzle with at least a 2" retention ball in a medium soft material that has some stiffness but is still fairly flexible.

The fastest way to the clean and empty goal that I've found is to use the retention plug on my first gallon bag, and switch to my 12-inch retention nozzle for 3 or 4 more gallon bags. If it's been a few days since my last deep cleaning, I may need do two gallon bags with the retention plug before I can insert the 12-inch retention nozzle.

12-inch retention nozzles are great. If you've never experienced getting something 1.5" diameter or wider through your inner sphincter into your sigmoid, you're in for a treat. Don't force in the nozzle. Lube it really well, get really relaxed, run a slow flow of warm water through it, as you ease it into your rectum. Push it in until it hits resistance at the top of your rectum. Then work it in and out to prod your inner sphincter. You might need to aim a little backward toward your tailbone. The warm water and gentle prodding should start giving you a really good feeling up there as your sphincter relaxes and starts to open up. You may feel like you want to go deeper. Go ahead. That good feeling is the signal to gradually prod a little harder and deeper. It should feel better and better, never painful, as your nozzle opens up your sphincter until resistance gives way and you push into your sigmoid. That should feel great. Slowly push the nozzle in all the way, which should only produce anal resistance as the retention ball pushes through your anus and seats just above it to lock your nozzle in place. The nozzle should now feel totally wonderful inside you. Go ahead and masturbate if you have to. Now you're ready to open up your valve all the way to enjoy a gallon going in easily and effortlessly with no hands, no leaks, and no urge to expel, (at least for most of the gallon bag.)

I can barely take a quart of solution with a standard enema nozzle or a barium nozzle, but with a colon tube, I can generally take a full 2 qt bag with only a little urgency.

I acquired four or five 26 FR latex foley catheters when our local mom and pop drug store went out of business. I cut off the extra air injection port to make it a straight tube, fitted it with a standard barbed connector and now have several comfortable 'colon tubes.' They are softer than silicone tubes and can be a devil to insert - especially when lubed up - but the risk of puncturing the intestinal wall is very small since they not at all stiff.

They are about 16 inches long and do help get the solution up past the rectal vault so the urgency is not so bad. You have to hold the slippery little devil in, since it is easily dislodged!

I think that after one enema if you use a colon tube you seem to get a better cleanout with a colon tube. I start the flow as soon as the tip goes in and work it all the way in slowly. Never force it and if it stops halfway just do that. You can always do one more. I think the water going in further up in the colon dislodges the material higher up but you can get the same results with a few regular enemas.

I believe colon tubes do give a better clean out, just be careful. They are fun from a mental viewpoint also

Many of the long soft silicone colon tubes have bumps along their length. These are great if you get stuck along the way up. If you can't get past your sig. flex on a particular day, just back off a little, until one of the bumps lodges just inside your anus. You can hold it there yourself, and relax a bit. After running a little water you can try to push gently again, or just "give up and enjoy" and try again some other time. Eventually you will figure out how to twist your body and the tube itself, and before you know it, it will be in there the full length. Of course, if you have a helper, the bumps don't really matter... she/he can hold the tube inside you so that it doesn't slip out. It is difficult though, to hold a smooth colon tube in if you are flyin' solo.

Another thing I really like for a change is a very small, skinny nozzle. I use very cool water and I can feel the water right from my anus as it creeps up my rectum and colon. The cool water is refreshing and different. Sometimes it's a little crampy too, so you might not get as much in as you're used to.

Seems to be a nozzle community and a colon tube community. Which is best if you just want to get the job done with least amount water and time. I've tried both. The colon tube folks say that a deep silicone tube helps you retain longer and take a "higher" enema, hence a better clean out. My experience is the opposite. The flow is much slower and I can't hold nearly as much. I can hold more water comfortably with a 6"-8" nozzle. 3rd & 4th enema, empties the bag ASAP. In all cases I'm not into retention, just long enough to make 2-steps.

As a klismo I enjoy colon tubes, but be careful. My husband inadvertently caught a colon tube into a diverticulum he didn't even know he had. He tore a little artery in it, and because he was on blood thinner they couldn't stop the bleeding and he ended up having a piece of his sigmoid removed and wearing a colotomy bag for a year, a truly horrific experience for him. Our rectums are "tougher" than our colons, and will tolerate more intrusiveness. If you are going to use a colon tube use a fat one.