Colonic tube - safe insertion 101

A good friend put a colon tube in me and I didn't feel a thing except for the water going in. He was very good at it.

I have posted on other threads about how I use my colon tubes. First and foremost I always think safety first. Never ever continue to push if you feel any pain. There is a difference between feeling a little pressure but as soon as it starts to hurt- that's it, back off and pull back.

After many years of using colon tubes, my key thoughts for safety and enjoyment boil down to these key factors:

1) You have heard it a million times but you really need to use plenty of lube. I lube the entire tube before I insert it for the first time and if I have to withdraw it I will re-lube again before re-insertion.

2) Clean you colon first or only advance the tube further up as you remove poop out of your system. You want an open channel to advance the tube.

3) It does help to inject some of the enema in as a way to create more of a channel to move further up your colon. You will probably have your best advances when you are filling yourself.

4) Finally, realize that you will not always be successful at deep insertion. Some days it just isn't going to happen. Don't become frustrated and continue to push risking injury. Think of the days when you can do deep insertion as the icing on the cake. But keep in mind, even if you don't get a deep insertion you still can have a very good and pleasurable enema session.

So what is the best lube? I had an enema yesterday from a lady and she was a pro. She slid that thing up at least 18in. I should have asked what she used for lube because it was great. I have used vaseline, lotion and KY. None of those produce the slippery slide I got yesterday.

Comparison of lubes: http://bestlubezone.com/water-based-lubricant-vs-silicone-based-lubricant/

I always used KY, but recently, I have used plain, old Crisco. It is not bothered by water the way KY is, and it is cheap, cheap, cheap. Afterwards, I clean up my equipment with soap and water to get rid of the Crisco so there is no chance of its damaging my equipment.

hankb

Crisco is fine for silicone toys but it will degrade latex.

Thanks for the advice.

hankb

How to Safely Use a Colon Tube

I’ve been an enema fan for many years, but I only started using colon tubes for the first time earlier this year. I fairly quickly progressed to fully inserting the longest tube possible for me I think--a tube made by Silicone Nozzles, (SilliconeNozzles.com), a 66", 75fr (1-inch) diameter, in medium softness. When I get it all the way in I’m almost certain I’m at the end of my colon, my caecum, with no double backs.

I've just read all the posts on this topic. I believe the post on 1/2/2013 is a good guide for how to use colon tubes. I also agree with the post on 5/27/13 about fatter and softer tubes being safer. That's true for urethral sounding too. The small diameter metal sounds are the most dangerous.

I don't think I will injure myself with my colon tube if I go slow, don't push with too much force, and quit for the day at the first sign of pain. There are several ways to overcome resistance other than pushing harder. Here is my advice:

First, select the right tube. I tried several tubes before I was able to get consistent full insertion to the deepest part of my colon. I initially thought stiffer was better. I was wrong. You want a soft material, but not too soft. Also, tube diameter is important. I never had any luck until I tried a 63fr (0.84”) diameter. Diameter can be too large too. Every person’s anatomy is different, but I think after 63fr, you begin to risk getting too big a diameter for insertion through the splenic flexure into the transverse colon.

Second, learn colon anatomy. Google “colon length” for example to lean the various parts of the colon, how long they are, the general shape of the colon, and the location of the two flexures (bends.)

Third, let the water run continuously while inserting. It's critical to have enough water flow to open a path ahead, but not too much flow so that you get so much water ahead of the tube that it creates a back pressure. It's a balance with an optimal flow rate that you can only learn through experience. I’ve tried adjusting flow rate during insertion, but it’s not that critical for me. Also, be aware that slow insertion progress means water pressure is building up ahead of the tube. When this pressure is too high to continue insertion, pull the whole tube out, expel, and start over.

Fourth, when you first insert the tube, the direction you aim the tube through the rectum to hit the sigmoid is critical. If you miss the sigmoid, you can’t go more than a few inches. When you hit the spot, you feel very little resistance as you enter the sigmoid colon. The direction to aim is toward your tailbone or lower back.

Fifth, when you hit a lot of resistance, don’t push harder. Back up a few inches and push it back in. Do this gently several times with a rhythmic back and forth motion. Often you can overcome resistance this way little or no increase in pushing force. Never use a lot of pushing force. It doesn’t help and it can make you sore for days, (or kill you I’ve heard.)

Sixth, do a series of insertions of increasing depth. Start with a few inches, maybe just into the sigmoid a little, and try to add a few inches each new insertion. Pull out the whole tube between insertions and allow all the things blocking tube advancement to fully expel: water, gas, and fecal matter. Try for a little longer insertion on the next attempt, and repeat the reinsertion process several times. It always takes me four or five insertions of gradually increasing depth to get the full 66 inches in, (on the days I am able to do that, about 75% of the time.)

Seventh, each time you start a new insertion, generously lubricate the whole tube again (and your anus.) Repeated reinsertions with generous relubrication is necessary to get sufficient lube into the colon. I think of the process like painting a pipe. Each brushstroke covers a little more. You are trying to paint the inside of your colon with lube to greater and greater depths. I’ve never tried lube injection through my tube, but this probably does the same thing more efficiently.

Eighth, use a good lube. I started with Vaseline as a lube, which is not the best, but it worked. I just switched to olive oil. My progress would have been much faster if I’d started with olive oil. There are reportedly better lubes than olive oil. Silicon Nozzles recommends water based lubes.

Ninth, if trying all these measures fails before your reach your goal, which it will some days even when you are very experienced at this, do not get frustrated and push as hard as you can. Wait a day or two and try again to go deeper.

The rewards of deep insertion are well worth the time to develop the required technique. On a good day, I can use the steps I outlined above to quickly do four insertions of increasing depth and hit 66” with my first gallon bag. I don’t do a conventional clean out first anymore. The tube alone is enough. I’ve achieved full tube insertion in 10-15 minutes a few times. Some days it’s takes me two gallon bags and 30 minutes to get the first full tube insertion. Some days, I’m stuck at 30”, just short of the transverse, and that’s it. Once I am able to get the tube all the way in with two or three quarts still in the bag and flush myself from the inside out with that much water, I’m pretty clean. I can at that point repeat the process, the whole cycle of lubing and inserting the tube, filling my colon from the inside out, and full expulsion of everything in about 8 minutes. If I do this two or three more times, I’m about as empty and clean as I’m going to get, but I usually don’t stop at just two more flushes. It feels too good! Every part of the cycle feels good.

One more tip I forgot. Get one of those spinning wheel flow indicators. I got mine at siliconenozzles.com for about $10. While you are doing a colon tube insertion, keep your eye on the spinning wheel. If flow slows down to a crawl or stops, and you are feeling more insertion resistance than just before when the wheel was spinning fast, you are probably having the colon tube start to double back on itself. Flow will also slow down at times as the tube navigates sharp turns in the colon, especially the splenic flexure, but flow won't completely stop or slow down nearly as much as it does when the colon tube is starting to double back on itself. When you see and feel a double back, pull the colon tube out a little and try to push it forward again, and do this repeatedly in a rhythmic back and forth motion to try to get past the sticky point. If this fails, pull the tube out completely, re-lube it, and reinsert it.

If you fail to notice your colon tube doubling back and continue insertion after a doubling back has occurred, the flow rate may pick up again, but it won't be nearly as fast as it was when the colon tube was initially inserted a few inches. If you have a good full colon tube inserstion without any colon tube double back, that wheel should be able to spin just as fast as when you first inserted the tube. All this assumes that the degree of openness of your flow control valve is constant.

The spinning wheel gives you a lot of good information. I just started using two of them back to back oriented perpendicularly to each other just below my gallon bag. This allows me to clearly see one of the spinning flow indicators no matter how the bag or the tubing connecting my bag to the colon tube becomes oriented during insertion.

This is a great post. Thanks so much for the information.

@WildBill2 - Great advice. I've been giving myself colon tube enemas for quite a few years and your advice is spot on. Colon tube enemas are my absolute favorites. To me, it's like getting fucked by a long, thin cock.

I have a 36" silicone tube I've worked all the way in it takes time putting fluid in as you go. The curves can stop it on my right side I can feel it sometimes push down a little will continue going in without any resistence i can take 4 quarts without a problem using it. I lay on my back with my feet up on a shelf when I do up about 2 foot relaxed enjoying the feeling. I'd love to find a trusting woman to share

Wow...great thread...thanks everyone, can't wait to try it.

Bottom line, go slow. Listen to you'r body, and you'll have no issues.

Everyone please remember that safety is not a joke. My husband injured his sigmoid with a semi-stiff colon tube, and it nearly killed him. Details, probably way more than anybody wants to know, are in my blog. It cost him two major abdominal surgeries, and the inexpressible misery of living for a year with a colostomy bag. The experience left him with a PTSD.

Having said that, he and I still play with colon tubes. Soft silicone, larger diameter, tons of lube, and gentle patience.

Hugs,

Diane

@azdiane, I'm sorry to hear about your husbands injury, and I'm happy that he's recovered physically.

I completely agree with your advice to use gentle insertion force with very well lubed colon tubes of a larger diameter and softer silicone material. It's all about what happens when a colon tube hits a colon wall. A thin tube will apply more pressure to the colon wall because it applies the insertion force to a smaller area. More pressure means more injury potential. A stiffer tube, especially if not well lubed, will be much more likely when it hits a colon wall to fail to deflect off the wall and instead dig into it, distend it, and even perforate the colon wall. A soft, well lubed tube is much more likely when it hits a colon wall to bend and go off in new direction, which is what you want.

However, if a colon tube is too soft and bends too easily, it will bend too much when it hits a colon wall and double back on itself most of the time. A good colon tube, is the softest possible one for the tube diameter that won't double back too easily.

Can anyone here come up with a way to explain soft vs stiff that would allow someone to "check" a tube without having specialized equipment?

Got a cheap colon tube once upon a time. It was very stiff, after few tries it went in the trash. Sure there could be other, more shallow uses, but that is covered in my collection so it was only clutter.

Can anyone here come up with a way to explain soft vs stiff that would allow someone to "check" a tube without having specialized equipment?

In a word, NO! 😁 sorry.

It's kind of like the judge who said he couldn't define what is pornographic, but he knows it when he sees it. It's like that with a colon tube when you find the one you like. It's like buying a tennis racket or bicycle. What you like is personal.

There are two opposing factors. The need to be stiff enough to go forward and not double back on itself and the need not to be so stiff you puncture yourself because it won't follow your curves.

Everyone will have a stiffness they like best for themselves.

Silicone Nozzles has I think three levels of stiffness. I got one a while back and I think it was maybe the middle level of softness. It turned out to be very bendy but it's a little over an inch in diameter so it has some heft. I have done deep insertions with this colon tube only after I had done extensive enemas to clear my colon and it did advance nicely through the sigmoid bend.

I have two other latex tubes one about a third of an inch in diameter and the other about 3/4 inch in diameter. The smaller one is very soft and has on numerous occasions doubled back and come out my ass, but it has made it through the sigmoid bend on many occasions. The larger one is much more stiff and I have never gotten through the sigmoid.

Colon tubes are not that expensive and I would say find a site you like and order several of different widths- generally the larger the width the stiffer the tube if you are dealing with latex tubes.

Silicone Nozzles has 7 softness grades: 40 (super firm), 30, 18, 12, 10, 00-50, 00-20 (Super Soft). It offers its colon tubes in one to four softness grades depending on the diameter. The most popular diameter, 75 French 1-inch diameter, comes in grades 18, 12, and 10. I have a 66" 1-inch tube in grade 10 that works very well. I can get it all the way into my ascending colon must days, but it does tend to double back in my sigmoid colon a lot. I wish I had one in grade 12 to try to see if it was easier to insert.

The higher diameter tubes from Silicone Nozzles come in lower (softer) grades. For example the 122 French 1.6-inch diameter tube comes in grades 12, 10, 00-50, and 00-20. I have a 60" one in grade 00-20 that is too soft. It doubles back or gets stuck in my splenic flexure at about 30 inches I think because it's too soft. I'm pretty sure I should have ordered it in grade 00-50.

ProV1, you've got a long 122 French tube that goes through your splenic flexure. Can you please tell me what softness grade it is?

SwichableSusie, you are absolutely right about getting the right softness tube. When you order one and try it you just know if it's too soft, too stiff, or just right. To maximize the chance of getting it right the first time, I would go with the middle softness grade offered for whatever diameter you are ordering. If there are an even number of softness grades offered, I'd go with the softer of the two middle softness grades. Sometimes the tube description webpage suggests what softness grades work best with various tube lengths. That is valuable information.

In a word, NO! 😁 sorry.

So in other words the specialized equipment I need is located between my buttocks and up in my abdomen 😜 .

I guess I'll give my homemade one some more tries. I think it might work, especially if I use my hand to give some counterpressure from the outside. I realized I've never done that, and I think it might help.

@wildbill Thanks so much for the advice. This is a fantastic thread. I got my first colon tube right before Labor Day this yr. so far attempts to use it have been frustrating at best and, at worst, I may have pushed a bit too hard and left myself with some soreness. I’m commited to reading the whole thread now

I was about to start a new thread asking for help with my colon tube but searched the subject and wow, so much information.

About 2 months ago I ordered a colon tube from silicone Nozzels. I got a ct 63 which is 63 fr and 28” long in soft silicone. I went with the softest they had because I was concerned about being gentle on my insides. Sadly, I think it is too soft or I went too long with my first colon tube as I still can’t get it to go very far inside me without folding over. This seems like a common problem.

I always clean out with one or two enemas with my KLG1, which was a life changer, and then try to insert the colon tube. I’ve tried lubing to the extent of using 2 Fleets mineral oil enemas after my clean out. That wasn’t the solution.

After reading only a few comments, I think my idea of taking the full 28” on the first try was a mistake. I probably need to be less anxious and start doing just 10 or 12 inches at first then slowly increasing depth with each use. I just really wanted to experience all 28” right away.

My other problem is that I don’t know where it’s going or how it should feel when it goes in the right direction. Unfortunately, I may need to make another purchase of something shorter or wider. Suzy mentioned it’s like a tennis racket. I never played tennis, but it sounds like I may end up with a collection before it’s over.

Any suggestions from the group are welcome and appreciated. Thanks.

I adore colon tubes. When I moved in with my stepfather as a teen the old Rexall Victoria fountain syringe he had didn't have the nozzles that usually come with it.

Instead it had 2 red rubber colon tubes. One 18fr the other 32, which was most often used by (or on) me. Usually, the tube would only be inserted 4 to 6 in. For some reasons I'm still not unclear about, occasionally I would ne given a "high enema"

That consisted of lying over a pile of towel covered pillows on my bed so that my head and feet were down and my rear high in the air. Once the larger than usual enema started, the tube would be slowly advanced into me until the bag was done and I had 2/3 to 3/4 of the 30 inch hose inside. It would often be left in place during retention *

My other problem is that I don’t know where it’s going or how it should feel when it goes in the right direction.

That is a very good question. I can answer it by describing what it feels like when I am able to navigate through the sigmoid bend.

Like most folks here, getting a tube up and into the beginning of the bend is easy, then you feel that resistance like it is hitting a wall, which is. But if the magic happens and it hits the side wall and then you feel some poking pressure but then the tube still advances you are on your way to the descending colon. This a very subtle feeling because if it is moving forward you won't feel much once you made it through to the descending colon. BUT one thing I have noticed on many occasions is that I can see the colon tube bulge under my skin about 3-4 inches above and to the right of my left hip bone. This is a definite sign you are through the sigmoid and into the descending colon. You can actually touch the tube bulge and feel it moving as you advance the tube. When it first happened, it felt kind of strange and a little scary, but then it became a sign of success for deep insertion. You still have to be careful and go slow but seeing and feeling the tube bulge can be a real turn on.

I have found the silicone colon tubes from Seeking Health or PureEnema very easy to insert. It still takes patience but when well lubricated (I use Dove soap or the soap I am using in the enema) it goes in easily. They are 11mm (33 Fr.), They come in 5 and 6 feet lengths.

I got a ct 63 which is 63 fr and 28” long in soft silicone. I went with the softest they had because I was concerned about being gentle on my insides. Sadly, I think it is too soft or I went too long with my first colon tube as I still can’t get it to go very far inside me without folding over. This seems like a common problem.

@trouble63, you're right that you got too soft a CT-63. In this diameter 00-20 Extra Soft will fold over or bunch up every time. I recommend going with #18, mildly firm, for a CT-63. I don't think 28" is a bad length choice tube. The length is not the problem. 28" is long enough to go through the sigmoid colon and probably not too long to get hung up in your splenic flexure.

My other problem is that I don’t know where it’s going or how it should feel when it goes in the right direction.

@trouble63, I agree with everything @ProV1 says about this.

Here is some more information. When I get my CT-75 in #10 soft through all or most of my sigmoid colon it slides in very easily and feels great, especially at about 15-20 inches of insertion, where my tube hits a spot that feels wonderful. I like to stop at that spot and slide my tube in and out a few inches just to keep hitting that spot over and over for a minute or so before I go deeper. Like ProV1, I can see and feel with my hand the tip of my tube at or near this point. Once I hit that pleasure area, it's almost always clear sailing for me to insert the entire 66" of my CT-75 to the bottom of my ascending colon, unless I can't get through my splenic flexure, which I occasionally can't.

A failed insertion through my sigmoid quickly starts to feel uncomfortable. Further insertion after that 'wrong' feeling needs rapidly increasing insertion force. It's easy to become impatient and not back off until I'm using an insertion force double or triple what's needed for a good insertion.

The need for significantly increasing insertion force usually means the tube is not making a sharp turn and is folding back on itself and the tip is coming back out, or a fold in the tube is pushing doubled tube further into the colon. If you are injecting water at a slow rate as you insert your tube and you have a spin-wheel flow indicator, you'll see it slow down or come to a stop when your tube folds back.

You can sometimes detect a bad insertion by sticking a finger into your rectum. If you feel the tip of the tube pointed the wrong way, or doubled tube in your rectum, it's obviously a bad insertion. Once you have a good insertion, probe your rectum with a finger to feel how the tube is sitting, positioned, and oriented in your rectum. With experience, you can sometimes know things have gone awry in your sigmoid by feeling with a finger that things aren't right in your rectum.

You can measure how far you are able to correctly insert a colon tube by inserting various lengths of tube and slowly pulling the tube out. A correctly inserted tube will pull out easily with a smooth motion. A badly inserted tube with fold overs, double backs, or bunching up will pull out with a uneven motion, require varying degrees of pulling force to pull it out, and suddenly pop out a length of tube on its own at the same time you feel the tube unfolding or straightening out inside you.

If you are able to insert a certain length of tube and pull it out slowly and smoothly, then you just inserted the tube that distance into your colon. If 10" of tube pulls out slowly and smoothly, your tube was in your lower sigmoid. If 18" does that, your tube was well past the first big bend in your sigmoid. If two-feet pulls out slowly and smoothly, your tube made it through your sigmoid. If 40 inches pulls out slowly and smoothly, then your tube was in your transverse colon, and your hand pressed into the middle of your upper abdomen might be able to feel the tip of your tube pulling out. I love feeling my tube way up there! Note that these distances vary from person to person due to anatomical differences.

...Suzy mentioned it’s like a tennis racket. I never played tennis, but it sounds like I may end up with a collection before it’s over.

Any suggestions from the group are welcome and appreciated. Thanks.

@SwitchableSusie is right. In your case, you need another tube with firmer material. You might want to consider higher diameter too. 28" is fine. I've wasted hundreds of dollars at Silicone Nozzles on tubes that were too soft or too firm. I leaned to pick a silicone softness near the middle of the offered range, not at one of the extremes. In general, larger tube diameters need softer silicone grades.

@trouble63, Here are some other things to try:

1. Practice inserting 10-12 inches of a long, slightly flexible dildo or enema nozzle in about a 1-inch diameter. This will penetrate your inner sphincter and go a few inches into your sigmoid colon. Firmer things are easier to insert this far. You'll learn the best body position and insertion direction. You'll also learn what it feels like to have something penetrate your inner sphincter and go a few inches into your sigmoid colon. If you've never had anything that far up inside you, I think you'll really enjoy it. It's good practice and a good warm up for inserting a softer colon tube much deeper. I've got an 18-inch, 1-inch diameter, slightly flexible double dong I bought for less than $30 that is perfect for this.

You can insert 10-12 inches of something slightly flexible with minimal injury risk if you go slowly, use gradually increasing force, use a lot of lube, and back off at any hint of pain. Penetrating the inner sphincter should take about the same insertion force as penetrating the anus. Once through the inner sphincter, only go a few more inches deeper to hit the first big bend in the sigmoid colon. You could go deeper with a very flexible long dildo.

2. Use a good body position for insertion that lets you relax and puts you in a good anatomical position for insertion. My favorite position is on my left side with my right knee or both knees close to my chest. I've heard that knees to chest while kneeling works well too.

3. Be patient. Try many different insertion angles. The correct insertion angle is very sensitive to body position. On my left side with right knee only close to chest, the insertion direction that works for me is slightly downward (toward my left side), and toward my tailbone or lower spine, which can be either slightly leftward or rightward depending on how much I'm bending my lumbar spine. If while inserting the first 8 inches or so you feel a significant increase in the force needed to insert more tube and you feel internally like the tube hit something, then back out and try a different angle. You should get through your inner sphincter and into your sigmoid eventually, (>8 inches inserted with no tube fold over inside your rectum.)

4. If your tube hangs up inside your sigmoid, (beyond 8" insertion), which tends to happen for me in two places with between 10 and 20 inches inserted, try working the tube in and out with short hand motions to try to make the tube hit the sharp sigmoid bends differently. Some say twisting the tube works, (if it's not too slippery with lube.) Also, try to move your sigmoid colon's position inside you by twisting your hips, arching your back, and using abdominal massage as you work the tube in and out. If nothing works, pull the tube out, lube it up, and start over.

5. On days when I just can't get my tube started, (into my sigmoid), I've had success inserting 10-12 inches of a long dildo or enema nozzle just before I insert my tube. This opens up or relaxes my inner sphincter and shows me the correct direction for tube insertion, but I have to switch from inserting dildo to inserting tube without changing my body position.

6. On days when I still have a lot of trouble, I've also successfully used a tunnel butt plug with a slightly greater than 1" hole diameter to guide my CT-75 in the right direction into and through my sigmoid. This always seems to work, and usually I can do a colon tube insertion without the tunnel plug on my next try.