Probiotics and Enemas

Probiotics are great. Spouse and I have had great results from Advanced Probiotic 10 orally. As an implant I would use a few capsules full in a small water retention enema. Have not tried an implant as I am getting good result orally. For implant It is important that the pro-biotic has no artificial color, sweeter, preservative, sugar, starch, gluten, wheat, sodium, or fish. Health food stores have probiotics that some use for implant. Implants are an off-label use and perhaps some other members could share there experience.

Does the rectal prebiotics really exist?

You can take a quart enema with many capsules of the bacteria (10-15 grams) dissolved and retain it for 10 minutes or until it is absorbed which could take several hours especially if you already are well hydrated and that will leave a film of the bacteria on the colon walls to re-grow your colonic flora.

I take two acidophilus (a probiotic) and slippery elm capsules twice a day, and a slippery elm,cinnamon and clove capsule once day. So with enema and a monthly colonic I have a clean and happy gut. If you want to know more look at http://www.cleansingherbs.co.uk/. I'd recommend these people. They provide a great service.

I take probiotics on the advice of my wonderful colon hygienist, who is a RN and a qualified homoeopath.

Which is more effective with probiotics? Oral or rectal? It seems that stomach acid might affect the ability for the body to absorb enough of the probiotics where just using them in an enema, although more fun, would take more of the powder or capsules, much of which would be expelled. Either way, I wouldn't think the lower intestine would be repopulated very quickly. There must be a study somewhere.....

I got a rather advanced question.

I've been doing enemas for around 10 years now.

I read a recently study that said that overweight people have different colon bacteria than slim people.

Now - would one be able to loose weight easier by ensuring that the colon bacterias are getting ACTIVELY repopulated after a enema session - either by taking probiotics orally - or rectally? - instead of "waiting" the amount of time (which would be?)?

Regards 😃

A search for a prob-biotics for implant resulted in Frequency Foods Probiotics Powder 55 grams. Not cheap.

Regards a weight loss prob-biotic: The mix of bacteria in the colon depends a lot on what you eat. I understand that vegetarians have a different bacteria profile than meat eaters. I doubt that using a particular pro-biotic will result in weight loss without changing eating habits.

. . . . I doubt that using a particular pro-biotic will result in weight loss without changing eating habits.

There is no question about that!

Since my colon cancer surgery, chemo. and radiation, whenever I take an antibiotic for respiratory infections, I get the "runs". My Doc has said the GI culprit is Clostridium Difficile overpopulation. I did take Flagyl to stop this, but my Doc suggested to save the Flagyl and try probiotics. They work great, but are expensive. By the way, make sure 2 hours go by before you take your antibiotic or probiotic, individually, or they will cancel each other out.

As far as I know there are no 'rectal' pro-biotics. You can easily convert any good probiotic capsule into a good healthy final enema by dumping 2 capsules into a quart of water and retaining as long as possible. Don't make it hot as you will kill off the bacteria. Nice and warm is great.

I've been told to use probiotics and cultured yogurt daily for my gut issues ( ulcerartive colitis). I am esepcially religous on these when on antibiotics that can and do flare up my gut.

If you have an enema on a regular basis at least twice weekly, do you need to take probiotics orally or rectally in an implant in order to have enough good bacteria in your colon to help you keep a strong immune system and good health?

I have been taking enemas for nearly 60 years. I take at least one about every day and I have never taken probiotics and as far as I can tell, I am in excellent health. I usually use ivory soap, salt or baking soda, and occasionally some Epsom salt solutions. As I have said, I do not have any health problems with my digestive system. If I miss taking an enema for two or three days, I go normally.

Taking acidophilus daily is a good idea whether you take enemas or not.it will help you digest better..

Don't know if this has been previously mentioned in this forum. A very effective probiotic therapy introduced directly into the colon per anus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy

I have thought a lot about deep thinker's fecal transplant ideas over the years. It was said somewhere, a new born gives a superb fecal culture. But how do you approach a sweet young couple to ask for their darling's poop? (can you spell, "Friendshipdisaster")

Snatch a used diaper when no one is looking , lzrd.

Can anyone tell me how to create a probiotic implant solution to put in an enema bag to use at the end of a session of enemas? I have read that they can help your colon and immune system become healthier. Many thanks to anyone who responds to this topic.

You could take a container of yogurt with active cultures and mix that with water, hold it for a few minutes and your done.

No need to hold it long.

If you don't believe me, fill a glass with whole milk, drink it and look at the glass--it's coated with the milk--same thing inside your colon.

Many books are presently being published in Europe referring to the major role of the bacterias living in the bowels for our health.

My question therefore is the followig: what are the risks that after an enema those "good" bacterias should be washed out by the expulsion, or just killed if the water temperatue exceeds 98°F?

Have any medical studies been published n the subject?

Large volume enemas will wash out about 80% of all colon flora. They will regrow in about 24hrs. If you're taking Flagyl orally, the antibiotic will work better on the reduced bacteria. As long as you wait 2 hours between taking FLAGYL A AND TAKING A PROBIOTIC , you won't cancel out the probiotic. The Flagyl will more easily kill the reduce amount of C. Diff. I suppose that taking an enema daily would keep the C. Diff level down, so that the Flagy would have a easier time to kill what remains,

Another way to reduce C. Diff. is to do rectal implants of healthy bacteria from other healthy patients.

Large volume enemas will wash out about 80% of all colon flora. . . . . The Flagyl will more easily kill the reduce amount of C. Diff. I suppose that taking an enema daily would keep the C. Diff level down, so that the Flagy would have a easier time to kill what remains.

"Normal" feces comes from people who do NOT take regular enemas. Normal feces is 25-50% bacteria by weight. Large volume enemas probably wash out closer to 95% of the colonic flora which can actually make it EASIER for C diff to get established because it has less competition getting established. Bacteria will START to regrow after a lag period of 24 hours but will take much longer to approach its original volume.

Water temperature over 98 degrees will NOT kill off the bacteria. If that were the case, food poisoning would not be so common and cooked food could be stored at much lower temperatures than the required 140 degrees.

Susie,

....................Water temperature over 98 degrees will NOT kill off the bacteria. If that were the case, food poisoning would not be so common and cooked food could be stored at much lower temperatures than the required 140 degrees.

I've never run across this standard till now. What is 140F degrees? Is that the temperature required for temporary holding of a meal that's just been cooked (perhaps under IR "hot lights") waiting for delivery to a customer's restaurant table? The only figures I'm familiar with are internal meat thermometer temps for various degrees of doneness, or most microwaveable frozen foods that recommend cooking to at least 165.

Eric

I've never run across this standard till now. What is 140F degrees? Is that the temperature required for temporary holding of a meal that's just been cooked (perhaps under IR "hot lights) waiting for delivery to a customer's restaurant table? The only figures I'm familiar with are internal meat thermometer temps for various degrees of doneness, or most microwaveable frozen foods that recommend cooking to at least 165.

Eric

Commercial cooked food storage, like steam tables and IR lamps must be at least 140 degrees to prevent bacterial growth. That's a pretty universal Department of Health rule.

Cooking foods to 165 is fine if you like your food to be destroyed during cooking. If you grind your own beef, you can make hamburgers rare at 130 degrees.

You should check out sous vide cooking. You would be surprised to find that many foods, even pork, can be perfectly cooked at 140 to 145 degrees, depending on how you like it, and be safe to eat. In fact, a pork chop cooked sous vide at 140 degF is absolutely delicious and as juicy as a beef steak.

Poultry can be cooked at 140 degrees also. Many fish are cooked to 118-120 degrees sous vide, terrific NY strip or ribeye steak at 130 degrees and prime rib at 125 degrees. Get updated on modern cooking! 😁 .

Microwave ovens are fine for reheating left-overs, but not for cooking if you like good food. Even for re-heating leftovers, you should resist the urge to use a microwave on high--it will ruin otherwise good left-overs. USE MEDIUM or Med-LOW for reheating and it will actually have a good taste and texture. HIGH ruins food.

If you must cook something fast, check out the Viking TurboChef residential ovens. They are wonderful.

Wow! Great information! (Seriously). Thanks you guys!

I don't take probiotics and I do enemas about once a week or sometimes maybe two days consecutively if its a single 3 quart enema. So would taking a probiotic right after an enema help your good bacteria recover faster? My system seems to recover quite quickly- usually having regular BMs 24 hours later.

If you are a carnivore and have very few vegetables, it takes much longer to have bowel movements. If you are a vegetarian herbivore, you have a lot more roughage in your diet and will have movements much faster. Also, if you have inefficient digestion as many skinny people do and can eat 3000-4000 calories a day and stay thin, you don't have a "fast" metabolism, you have in reality an inefficient digestive system that lets most food go through unused and "shitted out". A person with an efficient digestive system completely breaks down the food and gets every last calorie out of what they eat and needs many fewer calories to eat to maintain their weight--these people can easily get fat.

Let's say in your pills. yogurt, kefir or whatever, you have two grams of bacteria. THAT'S NOTHING compared to what you wash out with a three quart enema.

@SwitchableSusie, as someone with a medical background, let me ask you a question. For the last year or so I've been doing a series of several high volume enemas about three times per week. I feel fine, and if I stop the enemas, I resume normal BMs in about a week or so. What exactly are the health risks of doing this kind of enema schedule long term, and how serious are they? Some people on Zity claim to have been on an enema schedule like this for years or decades with no ill effects. The web research I've done on this question has produced few results, and what I do find is inconsistent or inconclusive.

If you're concerned and still want to take frequent enemas then smaller large-volume enemas (1L or so) taken in left-side Sim's should leave more of the colonic microorganisms in the ascending and transverse colon to repopulate things.

Also, if you have inefficient digestion as many skinny people do and can eat 3000-4000 calories a day and stay thin, you don't have a "fast" metabolism, you have in reality an inefficient digestive system that lets most food go through unused and "shitted out". A person with an efficient digestive system completely breaks down the food and gets every last calorie out of what they eat and needs many fewer calories to eat to maintain their weight--these people can easily get fat.

I don't doubt that this is a factor, but I know I have heard from several people that the more I eat the warmer I get. My wife particularly likes to snuggle up to me on chilly nights after a big meal. Conversely if I don't eat as much (such as when I dropped a lot of weight during my initial IBS struggles) I get COLD - two sweaters and the thermostat turned up to 75 cold.

...For the last year or so I've been doing a series of several high volume enemas about three times per week. I feel fine, and if I stop the enemas, I resume normal BMs in about a week or so. What exactly are the health risks of doing this kind of enema schedule long term, and how serious are they?

I don't know about the microbes, but reading between the lines of some studies I think the concern is perhaps as follows:

Enemas are known to irritate the colon and cause local inflammatory response in many cases, including soapsuds, glycerin, tap water and Fleet-type (PEG and isotonic saline cause negligible inflammatory response). Bisacodyl is also known to cause some inflammation. Persistent inflammation has been connected with Bad Things Happening, such as cancers, so the potential concern is that ongoing inflammation may lead to bad things.

That said it hasn't been demonstrated, nor have I seen the link explicitly made - it's just reading between the lines of the studies that noted "short term local inflammatory response" in biopsies taken after enemas and what I've seen on ongoing inflammation issues in other areas of the body. Note also that I really don't know what I'm doing.