Medical examinations for school and university

I guess I must be one of the older guys you mention and I think it's a shame that it's going the way you describe. However I feel it should be equal as I believe the inequality of male vs female nudity is causing many of the "sex" related problems we have. When I was in the 6th grade I recall a bunch of girls giggling and oohing over a picture one of them found in a text book. It was a painting of a nude man. the teacher went over to see what they were looking at and said nothing. Now turn that around and make it a huddle of boys looking at a painting of a nude female. What do think the teacher would have done to them?

I feel boys and girls should grow up learning about the differences of each other and about what is going on in their own bodies and the bodies of the other sex as they grow. I think they would all be better off if they were comfortable being nude together.

I have experienced the new attitude with my own doctor. When I had something I wanted her to look at next to my testicles she seemed to be afraid to look sort of like a boy trying to get a peek up a girl's skirt and many of the nurses I have encountered too. What the hell? It's her/their job to look.

Interestingly enough, in a lot of the stories I read the fellas actually got a bit of a kick out of the double standard aspect of it, because it meant that they were allowed to do something that the girls weren't- publicly show off their naked bodies to relatives, friends, classmates, teachers, and even complete strangers without any fear of ridicule or reprisal. During the heyday of nude male swimming, girls were never offered a similar privilege- at least not in America. Mainland Europe was a different story, however.

During the heyday of nude male swimming, girls were never offered a similar privilege- at least not in America. Mainland Europe was a different story, however.

Not to disappoint or anything, but aside from there being so many different cultural attitudes towards nudity, public or not, all depending on the 50 or more nations and even more cultural groups in each country, there really isn't anything general to be said about this.

Perhaps the only instance I would say was that back in my younger days, 1970s/80s/90s, topless swimming on public beaches was rather common. But not nude swimming though. And even then it all depended on which country. You didn't dare try topless swimming, let alone nude on a Belgian beach. Across the border in the Netherlands things were more lax. Of course the real locations were on the Mediterranean beaches, France, Spain in later years and oddly enough in old Yugoslavia. But if you went inland there (as a German tourist for instance) things were Old World Balkan Puritanical.

And no nude swimming in schools, oh my, the thought alone. My wife instance was of the generation where at boarding school, the girls weren't even allowed to wash themselves nude. They had to wash over their undergarment. The few times I went with (after school) swimming, the establishments had no such thing as a common locker room. People changed in individual cabins. It was more prudish than in the US. When i told of how things worked at the YMCA where I had been a member in the US, my Belgian classmates simply did not believe a word of what I was saying.

When I was in the 6th grade I recall a bunch of girls giggling and oohing over a picture one of them found in a text book. It was a painting of a nude man. the teacher went over to see what they were looking at and said nothing. Now turn that around and make it a huddle of boys looking at a painting of a nude female. What do think the teacher would have done to them?

I bet much would depend on the sex of the teacher. If it was a male teacher catching girls, I have a sneaking suspicion he would be the one in trouble because of some convoluted reason connected to the nude painting. If it were a female teacher, I suppose she would do little.

If a female teacher caught a groups of boys, it would be holy hell for the boys involved. No mercy. If a male teacher caught them I surmise he might not say much unless he was of the conservative religious type.

All suppositions of course, but I still bet the group of girls would get off far more lightly.

In that same 6th grade class we had Christmas song books or something that had pictures of angels all over it. For some reason they all looked like year old babies flying around. The same gaggle of girls were intently studying those because they were all naked and angels were supposed to be males. So they were trying to find their tiny male parts.

The idea that angels and preachers all had to be males always bothered me even when I was a kid. Somehow I didn't expect God would discriminate and that must be the idea of the men who wrote the Bible.

I guess I must be one of the older guys you mention and I think it's a shame that it's going the way you describe. However I feel it should be equal as I believe the inequality of male vs female nudity is causing many of the "sex" related problems we have. When I was in the 6th grade I recall a bunch of girls giggling and oohing over a picture one of them found in a text book. It was a painting of a nude man. the teacher went over to see what they were looking at and said nothing. Now turn that around and make it a huddle of boys looking at a painting of a nude female. What do think the teacher would have done to them?

I think that group nudity in medical settings etc probably has a value, normalising us, but not if boys and girls are treated very differently. Time and again in Zity stories and elsewhere, it is the boys/young men who were paraded naked, in view of various adults or female nurses, especially in army medicals. The girls/young women generally got less invasive investigations, separately and always behind closed doors. The idea of some casual male observer (e.g. admin clerk) watching their nudity being unthinkable. I've yet to read of compulsory nude swimming forced on schoolgirls; only ever boys. In a book recently linked to on Zity, decrying the invasive medicals of young Germans compulsorily enrolled for military service, it became clear that the sexual checks made on every young man seldom happened for the young women. Both genders had rectums, but only the men's were peered at ('bend over & touch your toes please') and sometimes digitally penetrated too. Often by a female doctor with female assistant/administrator present.

Yes there is value in group nudity, but please don't let it be an opportunity to undervalue or even exploit boys/men by treating females so differently. Equality cuts both ways.

When I was 19, first year at the University of Birmingham in the UK, I was ill and had to go to the university doctor, the 'sick bay', because I hadn't registered with a local GP. I was quite athletic and had been running for sport but had to stop due to dizziness when I ran.

The doctor, an older asian male, gave me a very thorough exam, he had me undress to my boxers, socks off too. I was petrified. I especially remember how deep he felt my stomach, and when he examined my feet, which I found odd because my complaint had nothing to do with my feet.

He asked me to 'pop your pants off please' so he could examine my penis and testicles.

In a book recently linked to on Zity, decrying the invasive medicals of young Germans compulsorily enrolled for military service, it became clear that the sexual checks made on every young man seldom happened for the young women. Both genders had rectums, but only the men's were peered at ('bend over & touch your toes please') and sometimes digitally penetrated too. Often by a female doctor with female assistant/administrator present.

Just a bit on history here, but German women were never forced to report for military service. Not even at the height of WWII.

Yes, there were nurses and secretarial staff of course and even later in the war, female anti-aircraft gunnery crews. But they were all volunteers. There was no compulsory military service for German women.

I believe that during WWII only the Soviet Union truly and well drafted women into military service, often enough as snipers for some reason. My father sailed to the Soviet Union in 1942 with an allied convoy (PQ-17) and remained stranded for the summer months in Archangelsk. He picked up a Russian girlfriend (easy to do as American sailor with access to a ship's food stores etc). She was called up and gone into the Red Army for training before his ship set off for the return journey home.

I never had a compulsory medical exam to go to school. Proof of Vaccinations and physicals or a doctors medical release to partipate in sports were the only requirements.

I remember the high school wrestling team group physical examinations. We would all get undressed to our underwear at first, the doctor would listen to everyone hearts and lungs, then have us all lower our underwear so he could examine our testicles. If he felt something he was concerned about he would tap you on the shoulder and when he got done with the line he would say he wanted us to all bend over and he would look at our rectum. He finished that and said those of you I tapped on the shoulder please stay in line, the rest can get dressed your physical examination is completed normally. He finished the heart and lung and stomach checks and said everyone lower their underwear so I can check your testicles for anything concerning. He would go to each guy feel his testicles for a few seconds and check for hernia having everyone cough. Got to the guy on the left, felt his testicles, had him cough, felt him again, tapped him on his shoulder then came to me. He spent longer feeling me, said step forward and spread your legs, felt longer then had me do the cough test several times, said step back into line, felt me again then tapped me on shoulder. Went down the line and tapped 3 other guys and when he was done those of you who I didn’t touch your shoulder get dressed and you can leave. Those I touched on the shoulder need to stay.

The 5 of us remained after the others left.

Being in the US, Midwest, nothing more than a general physical and updated vaccination was required. Nothing special otherwise.

Not that I recall back in 1980. The school wanted a copy of my medical records which is routine even now for many situations where you are basically under the care of an organization since a medical issue might come up that they have to deal with. My college had an onsite health clinic staffed by a full-time nurse and a doctor part-time. In my case, it was my last visit to my pediatrician, who basically gave me a quick check over, and then had me sign a release form (I was 18 ) so they could send the copies off to the school. I did a have a military physical in college as I was in ROTC. My one and only time with assembly line medicine which was pretty interesting.

It's amazing how this topic has persisted over so long and yet there are already so many entries. Forgive my English, I had it translated using Translator. I am very interested in the topic of school examinations and mainly those in groups. Many have already shared their experiences here. Thank you very much for that. I can't tell you anything about the actual school examinations. Since, according to my memories, I only had one in elementary school, namely to find out if I was suitable to go to school at all. I was almost 6 years old at the time. During school hours, there were only meetings with dentists and vaccinations. But no screening, at least not where I was. Only in the chapter of my apprenticeship was I in an apprentice home at the age of 16. There was a medical examination there, which I could call a group. In total we were 6 students.

Already in the settling-in phase there was the medical examination. For this purpose, the director has commissioned one of the family doctors from the surrounding villages. The examination took place in the sports hall. We had to show up in "only underpants", with the flip-flops. When we arrived, the director, the doctor, a female nurse and the physical education teacher were present. Initially, the study was limited to fitness. Climb up to the wall bars and do a few small exercises. On a mat, roll forward, hip jump onto the mat, squats and push-ups (counting 1,2,3... 10). Then the nurse measured the pulse and blood pressure, as well as recorded height and body weight. Three of us took a seat and one had to step forward. The physical education teacher made entries in a small book.

With a tape measure, the nurse then measured our waist circumference, arm length and leg length. The doctor then patted the back and chest and listened to the chest with the stethoscope. Everything went quite smoothly. Then came the request to come closer and take off your underpants. Then you stood naked in front of the people. I felt quite uncomfortable also rather "cold"; even though it was summery, this sports room had a cool atmosphere. The doctor first squeezed my groin, then my left testicle while I was "coughing". Turn your head once to the left. The same was done with the right testicle. He then squatted down a bit, so he bent further forward to see my genitals better. In doing so, he dealt with my foreskin, which I could not withdraw. "Severe phimosis!"

A word that was transmitted to sister. And astonishingly, the PE teacher has strongly marked this note in his notebook. A great embarrassment came over me. To this day, it's not entirely clear to me what was more embarrassing. The fact that several people could see my penis or that everyone now knew that I had phimosis today. The doctor asked the director to come closer to get a better look at my penis and instructed the director to control it better. And he suggested that I get treatment there immediately. He also mentioned circumcision as a good remedy. My head burned with shame, felt my head turn very red. But unfortunately, this was not the only factor, because my member moved and aroused. It was not a pronounced stiffening, but it was visible that my member was getting bigger. The embarrassment therefore increased and the doctor had quickly asked me to put on my underpants in order to ...

The commissioning of the sports teacher by the director to make sure that we had to clean ourselves properly downstairs in the course of hygiene. Which the PE teacher was therefore happy to do. Often, he then took over the control of the foreskin after showering. Or asked us individually to come to your room. He was practically fixed on taking a closer look at everyone. But this did not take place in groups. But always in his room. The PE teacher was not sexist, but had a real compulsion to carry out hygiene controls. Mainly to check if you were clean downstairs. During these checks, it always happened that he also took the testicles in his hand. I wouldn't call it a check for hernia. In addition to controlling the foreskin, it is more likely to be a neurosis to touch the testicles at the same time. To squeeze something or take it in your whole hand and then press it briefly. Whether it was bad intentions, I can't determine.

The aspect and its meanness – alluding to my phimosis – was gladly worn openly. He was happy to bring it up at every opportunity. He was happy to convey to everyone that I had a strong phimosis. I don't know if the other guys were similarly controlled or just me because of the phimosis. But at least it was everyone's turn and the duration of each check depended on his mood. You don't look at the clock, but have your internal clock, which gives you the feeling that he is fumbling down there unnecessarily and for far too long. After all, he wasn't a doctor. He had only obtained various seminars in the medical field as part of his work as a physical education teacher. Maybe also hernia examinations. But I didn't care. It was too disgusting and too annoying for me.

Other than hearing and vision tests in elementary school (small town in Georgia 1958-70), the only medical checks were the athletic physicals required by the Georgia High School Association for those who played sports or did cheerleading. I didn't play any sports, so never had a school physical.

Never in university, but in elementary and high school we regular had visits from school nurses who would screen us for various health deficiencies from dental to hearing, to vision.

Well, there is no intrusive exam for enrolling in a uni here, except for the military/police institution equivalent of tertiary education. However, I did anticipate having to get one for the UK tier 4 visa. I heard numerous stories of the visa exams being notoriously thorough - with palpated balls, retracted foreskin, etc.

I was anxious to no avail, as the Brits conceded to local standards and the exam was dull 😶

@Peter_Drude -

Sorry you had to go through all that. That "doctor" sounds like either a pervert, a quack, an asshole, or maybe some combination of all three.

The aspect and its meanness – alluding to my phimosis – was gladly worn openly. He was happy to bring it up at every opportunity. He was happy to convey to everyone that I had a strong phimosis. I don't know if the other guys were similarly controlled or just me because of the phimosis. But at least it was everyone's turn and the duration of each check depended on his mood. You don't look at the clock, but have your internal clock, which gives you the feeling that he is fumbling down there unnecessarily and for far too long. After all, he wasn't a doctor. He had only obtained various seminars in the medical field as part of his work as a physical education teacher. Maybe also hernia examinations. But I didn't care. It was too disgusting and too annoying for me.

Without a doubt there is a cultural gap present. Had you been circumcised at birth you may not have had to go through the humiliation and embarrassment you had to endure. Regardless, what you went through was awful. At some point a young adult needs to be treated like an adult with dignity and respect.

I was circumcised at birth. At age 4 I was placed in the Foster Care System for 10 years due to the fact my mom was a drug addict and incapable of caring for me. Because I was underweight and asthmatic I was easy pickings for incompetent and abusive medical professionals. Going to the doctor was a terrifying experience for me.