Circumcised men and STD

I've read a number of reports stating that women who's partners are not circumcised have a much higher rate of sexually transmitted diseases.

What do you think? what is your experience?

There IS a relationship between females having circumcised multiple male partners having fewer STDs than females with multiple uncircumcised male partners, and the reason is that the circumcised penis can be cleaned much more thoroughly because essentially all the skin is readily available for cleaning. In monogamous relationships, there isn't that difference because you don't have multiple partners picking up pathogens and passing them on.

Not sure about this but am glad i am circumcised

Today, there is no reason to be circumcised. When cleanliness was an issue in past centuries, it was. With clean water and soap readily available in the West, no reason. There is a reason not to, however: think about what occurs during male-female intercourse. Without that tissue (that is cut away with circumcision) to gently massage the vulva, it and all its sensitive nerve endings just do not get stimulated the way they otherwise would with an uncircumcised male. There is a side benefit: becoming good at cunnilingus. This is the best way for many women to enjoy their birthright with a circumcised male. (I am surprised in my very limited experience at how many men and women consider "down there" as smelly or dirty------ignorant fools!)

Sorry... but I don't believe it.

Being uncircumcised, I've read a good number of studies myself. I haven't found one yet that linked being uncircumcised to a higher probability of being a carrier for STDs (which is essentially what jfcsny and Switchablesusie are saying).

I can clean my uncut penis just as thoroughly as someone with a cut penis. When in it's flacid state, the foreskin covers the head. But I can pull the foreskin back to expose everything that's uncovered on a circumcised penis. So, as far as cleanliness, there is absolutely no difference.

On a very young uncircumcised boy, the foreskin is much less malleable and often times the opening is too small for the head to protrude. During this age, cleanliness is more of an issue. Smegma made up of skin cells, sweat, urine, and other grime can build up inside the casing giving the penis a putrid smell and potential for infection.

But this isn't the case on a more mature, sexually-active male. The foreskin will have naturally stretched enough to facilitate the head moving in and out fully. Meaning clean-up is just as easy as it is for a circumcised male.

And the sexual/pleasure benefits of being uncut are terrific.

There is absolutely no reason why any male should be circumcised other than religious or personal aesthetic reasons. And that last one is questionable... since, the vast majority of the time, we're talking about what the parent considers aesthetically pleasing, rather than the male who will actually be living with the equipment the rest of his life.

Thank goodness, I have found others who believe as I do, that circumcision amounts to genital mutilation, no matter which sex it is performed on.

I have to agree with PDXHandball... My previous bf is uncircumcised, and he is and was always clean. If a boy is taught from the beginning to clean well, then he will continue that practice during adulthood.

My former father-in-law was circumcised this past Thursday. He's in his early seventies, is diabetic and has numerous health problems, including high blood pressure. Over the past few years, his doctor had been recommending that he get the surgery, but he put it off. I don't know if he was having trouble with infection or anything, but the doc thought it would help to prevent future or furthur infection. He had to go in for transurethral prostate surgery, he decided to let his doc do the circumcism as well. He's doing well, but is in pain, of course. He and his wife do not have sex anymore and they haven't been able to for many years, so STDs weren't the concern. I try to learn as little as possible about my ex-father-in-law's junk. It's just something I don't want to imagine in my head.

I have been with a couple of uncircumcised men and it is a little different than with a circumcised man. I prefer circumcised.

Has anyone read the medical chart typos messages that friends forward around to others? If not, I'll post it in the humor section. But I'll share one of the typos here:

Exam of genitalia reveals that he is circus sized.

That one just kills me! I think I've met that guy before.

My former father-in-law was circumcised this past Thursday. . . . . .I try to learn as little as possible about my ex-father-in-law's junk. It's just something I don't want to imagine in my head.

Just a bit of legal trivia, BUT, he isn't your ex or former father-in-law. He IS your father-in-law. Once an in-law, always an in-law. You may have a divorce from your former spouse, but the in-laws remain your in-laws for life.

Egads, what a terrible thought. They aren't bad people, just sort of well, crazy and weird. I learned way too much about my father-in-law's genitalia when I saw two footprints in the middle of a light dusting of powder on the bathroom floor. Apparently, after a bath, he dries off, spreads his legs wide and powders himself "down there."

I commend him for his hygiene, though. My guy has similar traits and is always sparkling clean and smelling great, even after a long day at work. I appreciate men with good hygiene. I do not understand how some people can be careless about theirs.

I have another perspective on circumcision. Men are used to the different, shall we say "aromas", of a female - God bless them (the men). If you've been with a clean circumsized male (e.g. my ex-spouse of 25 years), there are no surprises in the aroma area. Now, from my experience, even with a "clean" uncircumcised male, there can be a definite smell on occasion. Consider that the male showers in the morning, has a somewhat active day but nothing that would require another shower, and then you're in the bedroom with him in the evening. I have an extraordinarily sensitive sense of smell and an uncircumcised penis can smell different, up close, than a circumsized penis. I'm not talking about a constant smell, just a little whiff. And I'm talking about men who are very clean. The point is, I guess that unless you are constantly cleansing your penis throughout the day, wouldn't an uncircumsized one be a little less clean than a circumsized one???

A few years ago, Mickey Rooney and his wife were in a commercial for insurance. His face was bright pink or red and his neck was nearly as thick as his head and quite wrinkly. If that wasn't bad enough, he was wearing a turtleneck. I told my guy that Mickey Rooney looked like a uncircumcised penis. We still laugh at it. 😃

I am an uncircumsized male and i very much enjoy it. Ive been with women who dont like it but afterwards they change there tune. My girlfriend has nice big lips down there with a couple of piercings and our sex lives are great and she enjoys every minute of it.

I am uncut, its an English thing. No std's for me.

Taught as a little boy to wash it well, okay okay I play with it in the bath that helps 😉

😃 I've been circumcised ever since I can remember. I know a few guys that had to get circumcised and they said that they wished that their folks would have had it done when they were babies too.

I was born in 1930 and was not circumcised. I never saw an circumcised penis until I was 7 when our neighbor, John, took a whiz in back of the garage. We asked Mom about this and she told us. When we were younger Mom would put in the kitchen table and forced our foreskin back and that hurt. There was smegma at the base of the glans which she called cheese and removed it. When she touched the glans it was so sensitive that it actually hurt. As a treat we were allowed to pull the foreskin back in place. She did this about every 6 months intil we were about 6 we were told to do it ourselves. Occassionaly she would ask me if I was doing it and I always said yes but I didn't touch it intil I was 12. At that time I found it was fun. It was hard to do but as I started to grow all of a sudden it was easy like a rubber band snapped. Maybe that was built in protection. When I took swimming lessons at the YMCA, in the nude, I found that I was the only one that was not circumcised.

Circumsion, for other that religious purposes, was started in England by Queen Victoria. She thought that with the foreskin gone it would stop masterbation. She ordered this done and all boys were circumcised and that rule continued until after years after she died when it was learned that boys masterbated just as often without foreskins. That rule was recinded. I have always thought circumcision for religious purposes was for identification. Do you remember in the movie "Winds of War" when the Jewish girl was walking with an American man when a Nazi officer accused the American of being a Jew. He said he wasn't and the Officer ordered him to drop his pants. The Girl said he was an American and they circumcise their boys. For some dumb reason the practiced has continued here but is now about 50 percent. Dr. Edel M.D. has a radio program on NBC radio and he is Jewish and has 4 sons. The first 2 were circumsised and the 2 younger were not. Dr. Edel found that in Jewish law if the foreskin is nicked and draws blood that is enough. His 2 older boys think that were cheated. He said that French women love the uncut penis as it is more to play with.

I spent 9 years in the Navy and as long as I was clean the foreskin was not a problem. Dr.Edel said that when the foreskin is gone the glans grows 7 layers of tissue for protection. I retracted my foreskin and left it that way for 30 years. In a short time the glans had lost lot of it's sensetivity which I thought would make le last longer. When my first grandson was born my daughter refused to have her son circumcumsed. I thought to myself that I have a foreskin so I replaced to it's proper place. A few months later the glans regained some of it sensitivity but not all. I think some of that was from wear and tear. Yes there is a difference. The Climax is the same but there are a lot of sensations that are missed. The one sensation that is missed is when the penis enters and the walls of the vagina slide the foreskin back is wonderful and I kick myself for going 30 years with the foreskin back. Beleive it or not I last longer with the more sensitive glans. I find that hard to understand.

Someone suggested it being hard to clean under the foreskin. Who ever wrote that never had one. When you slide the foreskin back past the glans that is just the start. You keep on sliding it down the shaft the under side of the foreskin is now on top and cleaning is a snap. I wash my penis after I brush my teath just in case.

I read about a man who when he was born but his circusision was botched and the glans was also removed. With the parents permission they removed what was left his penis and his testicles and made what would make him look like a girl. He was raised as a girl but he knew from the start that he was a boy. They gave him hormones so that he would have breasts. He was miserable and in his 20's he confronted his parents and the doctor and they admitted what was done and they did what they could to make him a man. He did marry a woman who understood what happened and they adopted children. It shows that it takes more than a penis and testicles to make a man.

Bruce E

If you look at the data, there are less std's in circumcised men.

I purposely did NOT include studies done in Africa because I didn’t want people here to say that those studies, done in less developed countries did not apply in the West.

less std’s circumcised:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15593753/

Less std’s circumcised:

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/STD/donovan1/

no dfference:

http://www.cirp.org/library/disease/STD/

less std’s circumcised:

http://sti.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/76/6/474

more warts circumcised:

http://sti.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/69/4/262

less std’s circumcised:

http://ijsa.rsmjournals.com/cgi/content/abstract/11/3/137

equivocal results:

http://sti.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/70/5/317

less syphilis, chanchroid, herpes circumcised:

http://sti.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/82/2/101

equivoval:

http://www.heart-intl.net/HEART/HIV/Comp/Malecircumcision.pdf

less std’s circumcised:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/105/3/620

equivocal:

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/119091411/PDFSTART

more urethral pappiloma virus uncircumcised:

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/bsc/bju/1999/00000084/00000001/art00012

less HIV, syphilis, chnchroid, herpes circumcised:

http://www.co-infectiousdiseases.com/pt/re/coinfdis/abstract.00001432-200702000-00012.htm;jsessionid=J2dJpt71KyRxVVtyFdXxdybyTTJMQYZ94RHz6psk84dTfQSCnGGp!-313167034!181195629!8091!-1

more herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes uncircumcised:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6689050

We can debate this forever, but the research supports Switchable Susie. It is that simple. Circumcision reduces STDs.

Susie:

I have followed your postings around the enema system and enjoy reading your comments. These statistics are true in that they point to one thing poor hygeine and risky behavior.

I did visit a professional lady once and she washed my member thoughly with a strong soap solution before I entered her. It is like the statistic that 50% of all marriages end in divorce. This is just not true as they don't consider the marriages like mine that have lasted almost 50 years and those that have been divorced 2 or more times. You can make statistics tell you what ever you want.

Bruce E

I'm circumcised and I like it that way!

A good reference from the British Journal of Urology on http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/cold-taylor/ . Basic knowledge to inform any discussion of circumcision.

I worked in the education field for many years and it is my experience that statistics are generally slanted to represent the opinion of the person who is writing the article. Opinions are like noses. Everyone has one....Jimbeaux

I totally agree with you Jimbeaux 😃

Since everything is supposed to be so politically equal these days, I wonder why there is not more female circumcision done. To me, being a male, it is no more barbaric to mutilate a female than it is to mutilate a male. The same arguments could be given for keeping the female's parts clean as it is for males. Since it usually seems to be a mother's decision to circumcise a boy, maybe it should be the father's decision to have it done to a daughter. With plenty of soap and water and better education these days, there is no reason to mutilate either... except for the added money it puts in the doctor's pocket.

[quote author=ilffer link=topic=4120.msg251875#msg251875 date=1256478711]

Since everything is supposed to be so politically equal these

days, I wonder why there is not more female circumcisn done.

To me, being a male, it is no more barbaric to mutilate a

female than it is to mutilate a male. The same arguments could

be given for keeping the female's parts clean as it is for males.

Since it usually seems to be a mother's decision to circumcise

a boy, maybe it should be the father's decision to have it done

to a daughter.

With plenty of soap and water and better education these days,

there is no reason to mutilate either...except for the added

money it puts in the doctor's pocket.

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By female circumcision, what do you mean?

When you respond, I'll have more to say.

I do not know why everyone is worked up over this, but there are several things that need to be noted.

1) The study was a legitimate, credible study

2) If you are circumcised you can still get an STD

3) Female and male circumcision is not comparable. In order for it to be a comparable procedure they would have to lob off the head of the penis!

I'm with Faultless. Have you read what female circumcision actual entails? It is not just the removal of skin. It is the actual removal of the clitoris. It is cruel and not equal to male circumcision. Please read more about the subject before responding.

Switchablesusie, faultless50, and my friend enemay1 have it nailed. What planet is ilffer from? I may be too tough on him, it could be he is just from an alternate reality. The equivalent of "female circumcision" (the term "female genital mutilation" is more commonly used today and is more correct) would be removal of the penis, without anesthesia, and at an age where the victim is fully aware of that is going on. Anyone who thinks (if one can call it that) like ilffer should check the following sites and learn what the heck they are talking about:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/2313097.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_cutting

Wow, what kind of misogynist actually advocates female genital mutilation? Sick.

In my opinion, male circumcision isn't equivalent to genital mutilation. It's simply a body modification, like a piercing or a tattoo. Granted, the receipient doesn't often have a say in the matter, which I think is what makes it a sticky issue.

I feel like I have some experience to speak from here: I had to choose whether to have my newborn son circumsized, and it was a difficult decision. (We were expecting a girl, so I wasn't prepared to deal with this issue just yet). I knew the reasons against: decreased sensation during sex, possible infection in the days following.

I decided for it though, because it is generally cleaner, and most of all - I wanted him to look like his father. I know this may sound weird if you've never had the issue come up before, but apparently it can be distressing for both father and son if their junk doesn't match. Weird, I know.

Anyway, it wasn't a surgical procedure,and it wasn't dangerous. The doctor simply put a plastic cap over the tip of my son's penis, and in a few days, the cap and the skin both fell off, and viola! He was circumsized. It did not appear to cause him any pain or discomfort in the least. It was simple, and safe.

I don't think that one is superior to the other. I think that both cicumcized and uncircumsized penises are lovely, and no one should be made to feel bad about having one or the other.

I am not circumcised and I like it.

While working in a nursing home I saw a few cases of uncircumcised men who had to have their foreskin removed late in life due to a problem of the foreskin become too tight around the glans. That was not a pleasant experience, so they said.

I have never had any problem with hygiene or STD. The extra foreskin does NOT make it difficult to clean. Laziness does.