Local Anesthetic

Anyone else interested in local anesthetic? I find it so intriguing that something that is supposed to protect you from pain actually stings quite a bit...

Any experiences to share?

I had to have tubes put into my ears. The local anesthetic really hurt when the Dr put the needle into my ear!

Lol funny you should mention this. I recently had a thrombosed internal hemorrhoid. And guess what? Yep, Anesthetic Injections right into the anus. Both of them hurt like hell. Before allowing a moment or 2, he started cutting away immediately and it hurt. About 3-4 minutes into the procedure is when I couldn't feel a thing.

regardless, getting injections into your Starfish was not pleasant at all. There are a ton of nerve endings in that area and my Damn!

I can sympathize. I had to have a pilonidal cyst I/D'd once and no sooner had they injected the lidocaine (which hurt like hell), they started cutting away. And as you say, about three minutes later, I couldn't feel a thing. The nurse said that the previous patient having that procedure had kicked the doctor in the face. I said it was probably because the local hadn't taken effect. They were shocked.

In animal practice, it's SOP to inject the local, wait three minutes, and then poke around a bit with a needle to elicit a pain response. If the animal flinches, we inject more anesthetic. Human medicine could take a page out of that book.

Play On!

LadyDoc

In my experience, the people who make the most painless injections are DENTISTS. They know to inject slowly because for most injections, it isn't the solution itself that causes the pain, rather the pain is caused by injecting too fast and ballooning the tissue. I learned that a long time ago when I was at Columbia getting my MSN.

I like anesthetic in general but most interesting i find a epidural anesthetic

I have a great interest in local anhestesia, my only problem is not being a real medical professional how to get the lidocaine? I had played with saline placebo only...

Seriously, you do not want to play with lidocaine! It can cause cardiac arrest in some individuals. 😢 Also, using the wrong kind can cut off circulation to part of the body-this can lead to tisssue death. ???

Adversed drug reactions are rare when lidocaine is used as a local anesthetic and is administered correctly. a correct mix with ephedrine may reduce the bleeding also. a correct dosage in a person that had had lidocaine administered trough life in his dentist exclude in principle the danger of an allergic reaction. A correct and complete knowledge of the patient (clinical history and possible heart problems...) would be a must.

EVEN SO I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT IS NOT AT ALL MY INTENTION TO STIMULATE ANY KIND OF PLAY WITH ANY KIND OF DRUG! - DON'T DO IT!

and sorry I only answered with a sincere but irresponsable spontaneity

Thank you for supporting my warning about using powerful medications without proper knowledge and experience. If anyone has any questions ask Michael Jackson!

Thanks everyone I feel better about myself just knowing other people share my interests... 😜

Dr. Enema where do you like to inject?

I'm sure I wouldn't like to have been in your shoes, but I would probably jerk off watching a video of the procedure... How were you positioned?

Jblasphemy,

I was put in a special exam table that most proctologists use. Knees on a pad at the end of the table while your body lays across the rest of the table. So once to lay down, the knee portion of the table lifts so your ass is high up in the air. So the nurse doesn't have to constantly hold your cheeks apart, each ass cheek is taped to the hips to hold them wide open. Interesting technique..I will have to try that some time!

Lidocaine if injected into a vessel will cause cardiac issues as it is used as a cardiac medicine in the ER. also if it's injected into a tendon or directly into the nerve it will create problems. usually there is a bit of pain with tendon or nerve infiltration so you'll know it and pull the needle back a bit and reposition. also there are two types of this drug, you have lidocaine with and without epinepherine. "eppy" causes surrounding vessels to contract and thus retains the numbing med in the tissues longer which gives the anesthetic more lasting power. epinepherine should never be used for "distal" injections like fingers, toes, penis, etc. those items have such tiny vessels that if they were to contract they would cut off all blood flow and cause necrosis...the tissues die a horrible blackening death. this isn't a pleasant reaction so the eppy is used where there is plenty of tissue volume and other blood avenues, like the torso and upper arms and legs. that being said, i use xylocaine 1% or 2% with eppy injected into my radial, median, and ulnar nerve channels at the elbow. three injections of 3ml each will be effective at causing numbness to my entire hand, but sometimes i need to do an additional injection into each nerve area at the wrist if i missed the nerve at the elbow. since i'm doing it myself and haven't graduated to the nerve stimulator yet, it does happen that i miss a nerve LOL.

Id like to have local anaesthetic to the penis to make it numb. I like the idea that I will be frustrated and not able to orgasm for a period of time.

Is there any way to make the anaesthetic more long lasting?

I completely agree with LadyDoc on this; we treat animals with more compassion than the human medical community does for humans. They don't seem to be able to wait 2 seconds before rushing off to the next patient. I just went through a cystoscopy and a prostate biopsy procedure; fortunately my urologist had a great nurse that prepped me with lidocaine gel for both procedures and they were essentially painless because there was a little time before the doctor appeared to do his thing...

Local anesthesia is very interesting to me. It amazes me how you can feel no pain or discomfort and procedures can be performed. Like in the case of liposuction. That blows my mind, a procedure that was once so violent and the patient had to be put under they can now remain and tell the doctor how much more to remove and such. So crazy and the videos are sooo cool of the procedure. I hope that someday I am lucky enough to get the chance to go into the OR and watch the procedure in person. 😃

I had local anesthetic in real life for my circumcision and my wisdom teeth surgery. Now, both were fascinating experiences.

In WE local anesthesics are unbelievable for me (except of anesthetic creme for the skin maybe).

I'd love to hear more about both, Operation.

I'm an MD doctor and anesthesiologist in real life, so I have been using lidocaine extensively for many reasons for about 25+ years. I see lots of RED FLAGS on this thread about complications of lidocaine or other local anesthetic (there are many) use in sexual play. A red flag is a serious concern or WARNING about something.The bottom line is, STOP playing around with complex and potentially fatal drugs for sexual play unless you're a doctor and really know what you're doing, or perhaps a graduate level Nurse with a hell of a lot of both medical as well as anesthetic experience. NO sexual gratification, no matter how fabulous or relationship-bonding, is worth finding someone with severe ischemic tissue damage (skin falling off, etc.), a cardiac arrhythmia, permanent nerve damage or dead. I'll just tic off a few red flags I've already seen actually written in this thread:

Post #1: it's normal for lidocaine to take a few minutes to reach peak numbing effectiveness. Almost nothing in medicine is instantaneous except extremely fast acting IV drugs like anesthetics and even those must be measured in seconds and minutes. Poster #1 is correct - since it's not instant, the actual drug STINGS pretty badly for at least a few seconds before its numbing effect starts which also numbs the stinging from the drug injection. There are some ways to make it sting less, but not perfectly and I won't discuss it here.

#2: Interesting but bizarre notion. I have NEVER had a patient, child or adult, have ear tubes placed with lidocaine. They're all done with ultra-fast acting anesthetic gases. And this includes newborns to seniors. I'd like to know who (and why) is practicing like that.

#3 and others: it sounds like these practitioners either don't understand what's called the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics of lidocaine, or they just don't care. No one should be cutting anyone immediately after putting down the lidocaine injection syringe - it may occasionally work by luck but not reliably, and I'd ask for my money back or a new surgeon. I would suggest it is a mild form of malpractice. And for ladydocisin in #4, she already knows that local anesthetic injections into infected or acidotic or ischemic tissues work poorly if at all, and your pilonidal cyst tissue may have been unusual enough that it took even longer than in normal skin. If they were shocked, I'm shocked at their incompetence or lack of experience or caring for your welfare. Another money back or new surgeon.

#5: agree with Susie about dentists. Many are better anesthetists than surgeons are.

#6: being fascinated by epidural anesthesia (which is a standard but remarkable technique) is fine. I'm fascinated by epidurals and spinals too, but I do them EVERY DAY almost, especially for labor pain. For our members, DON'T even think about it. It can be rapidly fatal. No fun, eh?

#7: don't even think about getting anything including lidocaine that's stolen, pilfered or bought by anyone but a medical professional. It comes in many forms in the legal, licensed versions, and they all act differently, especially if they have other drugs mixed in like epinephrine (very common and useful).

#8: Stephen is right on both counts. Don't.

#10: Michael Jackson undoubtedly died from misuse of a complex poorly-documented group of powerful anesthetic drugs including propofol which is one of the best, safest, most useful drugs we use in anesthesia. We know what we're doing. The cardiologist had no clue or didn't care.

#11: What are you talking about, please?

#12: same question as for 11.

#13: Largely but not strictly correct on some things. What on Earth are you giving yourself radial, ulnar and median nerve blocks for????

#14: Eunuch........, The answer to your question is YES, BUT DON'T even THINK about trying it. Go see a urologist and ask them the method, advisability and RISK of making your penis numb for playtime/orgasm delay. You might be referred to a psychiatric consult for your own safety. I don't mean to be rude, but DON'T. I guess the kids today would say "I can't even" or the like. Prize your penis and jewels and play nice without drugs.

#15: Smart, compassionate doctor and nurse you have. Good choice!

#16: there is also a real risk of lidocaine overdose during liposuction, so you need a HIGHLY experienced surgeon, not some dude or gal that just came back from their "Massive Profit Center in Local Anesthetic Anesthesia for Liposuction" course. Apologies to those liposuction docs who know their anatomy/physiology and local anesthetic behavior.

Sorry this went on so long, but this is what I do professionally and I'd really not like to hear or read in lurid newspaper articles or here that we've lost someone while playing. We have such an array of intense and rewarding things we can do for each other for playing or loving that no one needs to ruin it with these drugs. Replies or PM's accepted.

PSAHF (Play Safe and Have Fun)

Doc Eric

I just realized there is at least one more bit of caution about lidocaine/any local anesthetic, liquid or gel, that I need to mention, as I didn't see it mentioned in those posts before mine yesterday. It's actually probably the most obvious or frequent one I read about on forums. People sometimes ask about anal sex or dilation or pegging being initially or always painful so can they use a numbing liquid/cream/gel on their anus and rectum. Again, the bottom line is NO, certainly NOT. This applies to anyone's anus, especially an anus trying to be stretched by someone being a Dom(me) who might be over enthusiastic or impatient. The problem is that if you're even partially numb down there, you won't feel real anus or rectal pain like YOU SHOULD. Pain is a normal sensation warning you about tissue/anus/rectum damage and maybe bleeding. Your Dom(me) or lover can seriously hurt you and you won't know as soon as it starts (or gets worse) because of numbness.

Now your anus does a lot of its own dilation and stretching (ever looked in the commode and seen how wide some pieces are?), but that's normal function. Stretching it yourself a bit with fingers or toys will start with a nice pleasant "ooh, that feels great" feeling, then increase to "wow, that feels even better" to "I can't stretch any more" to "oww, that really hurts or feels like something is tearing!" You want to stop at the "really stretched but no pain" stage. Sharp or tearing pain means you went too far. And if you're numbed with local anesthetic down there, you won't know when to stop.

HFAPS (Have a Fun And Play Safe), (thanks to debgurl),

Eric

Pain is a warning sign.

If you are numb, you won't know when damage is being done.

Damage can be extensive and severe since most "rips and tears" happen quickly, kind of like breaking a rubber band. . . . It stretches and stretches and stretches and then in an instant, it BREAKS.

Knew a subgirl that wanted to please her dom....he wanted to put a wine bottle up her ass. When it would not go in without her screaming and fighting it, he loaded her up with Vicodin and then proceeded to shove that wine bottle up her poor anus. With only the neck sticking out of her asshole, she began bleeding and it was bright red, like from an artery type cut. He panicked and pulled the bottle out.....more blood....he packed her with towels and ice and finally got things under control. She wound up with a large tear in her rectum and without going to the doctor, it finally healed on its own. I met this women a few years after it happened and she was such a wonderful submissive person and had a body to die for. However, her anus had a large scar that was visible and extended up inside her rectum. If you tried to plug her with anything over 1" in diameter, the pain was unbearable to her. She was a gamer, but would literally double over and vomit from the pain if anal sex was tried. What a shame....what a waste...some unthinking dumbass ruined this woman because he drugged her just to see her ass plugged with a wine bottle. I am a pretty heavy player with the right woman...but I know my responsibility as a dom...and a protector of my sub....for me...no pills, no anesthetic....suppositories are fine....caths and plugs and you name it...but no drugs for my subbie

Embarrassing though it would have been she should have filed assault charges against the moron!

He would hopefully have ended up in jail where he may have found what it's like to have "something" forced into his rectum.

Curiousapp......,

What a terribly sad story. She should have sued him for everything he owned. I hope she could still poop after all that.

Eric

This woman was like so many other women with that submissive craving in her. She got smart and she got cautious, but once she felt comfortable, and the rules about her ass play were understood, she was a real treasure. The only real rule with her was not to force anythingu p her rear. You could finger her, you could place toys, vibrators, whatever in the entrance of her anus, but the caveat was you go slow....really slow with lots of lube and she could take things up to about 1" in diameter. The nice thing was she wasn't afraid....she wasn't hesitant to get after it with this type ass play. It just took a pre-briefing with her partner which hopefully was an intelligent and caring man and his ability to appreciate what he had to work with.

I found this woman to be as erotic as any other submissive with only a small vibrator in her ass because that small vibrator represented a huge commitment on her part. her responses were no less exuberant that if you had put a 3" wide buttplug up her butt. Sometimes working with a person that has a limitation, but is all in on the trust and gives herself completely, it really affects how you dominate that person. Sounds corny, but as a dom, my protective instincts kicked in along with my desire to possess her. We became close.

If done safely, I think it would be fun to play local anesthesia. That way the patient is awake, can’t move and only feel so much. If done safely it could a lot of fun.

I’ve had one experience with a procedure under local anesthetic. I had a lumbar puncture done a few years ago and they numbed the area with lidocaine. I’m sure the lidocaine helped some but I still felt the whole thing which was painful and extremely uncomfortable.

About 30 years ago, I had severely ingrown, PAINFUL and infected toenails on both of my big toes. I was sent to a podiatrist to be treated. He proceeded to shoot multiple injections of lidocaine into both toes. He placed four shots into each toe which took several minutes to do. The shots hurt (stung) like hell as he slowly injected the juice (seemingly lots of it at each site). It took a minute or two for the painkilling effect to take hold. He then proceeded to cut straight down the middle of each nail and then pulled them apart from the toe. I watched the whole thing without any pain. He then placed some sort of fluid (acid?) into the root area telling me this would prevent any further growth of a nail on that toe. He was right. My two big toes are nail-less 30 years later. The BEST local surgery I ever had!