The baking soda alters the colonic pH to make it more favorable for the microcritters to digest the sugar, producing the strongly laxative compounds. Milk may have the same function in an M&M enema.Replying belatedly: Sodium bicarbonate solution has a pH between 8 and 9 and would certainly provide an alkaline environment for colonic bacteria. But the pH of milk is slightly on the acid side, around 6.5â6.9, which is well within the natural colonic pH range. So I donât see that milk would be likely to promote bacterial activity, at least by pH adjustment.
The reason for addition of the bicarbonate is from something I read years ago about the Mayo enema, I've no memory where. The milk comment was speculation. Another possible reason for the milk is it contains the sugar Lactose, which may well have a laxative effect by itself.Essentially, I believe that any sugar, natural or synthetic, that gets into a person's colon gets eaten by some of the microcritters there and strongly stimulates the bowel wall, and the gas and digestion products and irritation produce a laxative effect in about a half hour. All all the sugar containing enemas I can think of require retention times of at least a hour to develop real poo power. The urge certainly starts more quickly, but the instructions uniformly say they should be retained at least a half hour. I was explicitly told this by the nurse who administer a Lactulose enema to me, and compliance was very difficult after about 20 minutes.As a note, the sugar containing enemas are not ordered in a medical setting for just routine constipation. Don't expect one, even if you haven't pood in three or four days. They are reserved for special circumstances, like serious med-induced constipation or getting someone started post-op or being constipated for a week or longer. Given and retained properly, they are pretty damn uncomfortable.
JUST MOLASSES and warm water works the SAME as MILK AND MOLASSES ! (with less fuss and cost!) I just took one with the SAME amazing cathartic RESULTS.
A rationale occurs to me for adding sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to concentrated solutions of sugars. The concentrated solution draws water into the bowel. The sugars are also fermented by the gut bacteria, with fermentation products including gases (hydrogen, methane, carbon dioxide) and short-chain fatty acids such as acetic acid. The gases, to the extent they are not absorbed, also increase the volume of the colon contents, while the acids are irritating, resulting in a very effective enema. Of the gases, carbon dioxide itself forms an acid solution.The possible contribution of the sodium bicarbonate would be to react with the acetic and other acids generated by fermentation, resulting in additional carbon dioxide, which would further add to the effectiveness of the enema. However, I canât say I have noticed any difference between sugar solutions with and without NaHCOâ.
Possibly, but I've read that the bicarbonate is added to make the colonic pH more favorable to the gut bacteria that digest the sugars.
I have tried this, and there is no definitive answer so far as to an exact amount to use besides others experiences.I can say ( experience ) that you need to 1) make it a quick administration, and 2) Be close to a toilet, as it hit's fairly quickly, to cause an almost need to evacuate. Cramping can be tough.An M&M enema WILL cause someone to go for sure, and why hospitals used these in the past / present.
@Cleanout_loverFrom what I've read in old (pre-1960) nursing books, an M&M enema is usually 8 Oz of whole milk and 8 Oz blackstrap molasses, mixed well and heated to feel warm. It was given with an irrigating can and a Fr 32 colon tube inserted 10 to 15 inches. Administration was quite rapid, taking not more than a couple of minutes for the whole dose. Administration is not difficult because the full dose is only 1 pint. This is more than enough to completely clean anyone out within minutes.I don't think M&M enemas were used routinely, but were reserved for especially constipated patients when their extra poo power was needed. These days, I think the M&M has been replaced by a Lactulose enema, composed of 300ml Lactulose syrup and 700ml normal saline.
Possibly, but I've read that the bicarbonate is added to make the colonic pH more favorable to the gut bacteria that digest the sugars.What made me think of this was an experience a couple of weeks ago, when I added 50g of NaHCOâ to a jug containing a 50-50 mixture of molasses and water. I havenât done this before, but the result (which I might have foreseen!) was a lot of effervescence, and I ended up with more froth than liquid in the jug. I postponed my enema by a couple of hours, by which time the froth had subsided.This happened with molasses because it is acidic (pH ~5.5). It doesnât happen with solutions of glucose, sucrose etc. because they are neutral. But conditions in the colon once fermentation gets under way must be quite acidic, and I would expect the result to be comparable.Edit: Actually it wasnât a 50-50 mixture, it was 400g refinery molasses + 600g water.
I would actually love that since I'm a big fan of clearly-displayed effects (not expulsion) of an enema e.g. urgency, cramping, etc.
I just saw 8 oz of milk and 8 oz of molasses being the right amount, how does liquid oz measurements equate to pints or parts of pints ? Or is it a case of equal proportions of each ?
I finally decided to try an M&M enema. Total volume was 1 quart. I used a large bore colon tube inserted approximately 1 foot. Held it for close to 10 minutes before the cramps hit me. Not sure if I'll try another one, but maybe the mood will hit me one day
I took my very first mm enema last niteâŚoh boy was it an experienceâŚonly a pint of solution and held for 20 minutesâŚmy cramping and bowel movements were unbelievable ..it felt like i was having a baby and my rectum was turned inside out ⌠great experience..it lasted for hour and half⌠i did get body chills afterwardsâŚanybody else ever get body chills from a mm enema???
@SkeetYou wrote: âonly a pint of solution and held for 20 minutesâOnly??? That's the full adult dose... a VERY powerful enema that should make anyone poo uncontrollably. And 20 minutes is a long time to hold an M&M enema. You took the enema given in hospitals to the most severely constipated patients.Did you use a retention aid t help you hold the solution in?
As much as I like strong cramps, I've never played around with M/M enemas - too afraid. I leave my cramping to the normal enema soaps - like Ivory and Dr. Bronner's. I did play around with Dove soap, but concerned that it might not be all that healthy as it's not a typical enema soap.
What made me think of this was an experience a couple of weeks ago, when I added 50g of NaHCOâ to a jug containing a 50-50 mixture of molasses and water. I havenât done this before, but the result (which I might have foreseen!) was a lot of effervescence, and I ended up with more froth than liquid in the jug. I postponed my enema by a couple of hours, by which time the froth had subsided.This happened with molasses because it is acidic (pH ~5.5). It doesnât happen with solutions of glucose, sucrose etc. because they are neutral. But conditions in the colon once fermentation gets under way must be quite acidic, and I would expect the result to be comparable.Edit: Actually it wasnât a 50-50 mixture, it was 400g refinery molasses + 600g water.Try a few ounces of baking soda in 8 ounces of warm water, Add 2 ounces of sugar (simple syrup works great), Inject with a syringe if possible and hang on, In a few minutes it will be just as effective as an M&M with monumental cramps and a spectacular clean out!
I used a full 500ml syriinge of 50/50 M&M to get the whole thing in my rectum in less than a minute.After a few minutes the pressure was unbearable and the following expulsion was monumental.Took several hours for my colon to get back to anything reasonably normal.Wow!
@MufDvrYou took petty much the standard M&M enema and got the expected result. About the only thing that's sometimes done differently is the enema is given up high with a colon tube, often Fr 24 or Fr 26, inserted 8 to 10 inches into the recipient before the solution is given. This is certainly a powerful enema and is mostly used for the very severely constipated , such as those taking opiates. It starts to work in a couple of minutes and the longer it's held the more powerful the urge will become. An M&M doesn't soften much, but certainly does push everything out⌠don't expect a comfortable poo after taking one of these. But you will poo for sureâŚ. and probably several times more over the next 4 to 6 hours.
My mothers medical dictionary from the late forties says molasses and milk enemas will produce âmultiple copious bowel movements â, loland @MufDvr , that sugar and baking soda is listed there too as a Mayo enema as stated here already, it's a âcarminative enema â meant to produce gas also to distend the rectum and colon and help make way for easy passage.
@KabA Mayo enema is strongly laxative, almost like an M&M, but less messy. It doesn't âhelp make way for easy passageâ. Take one and you WILL poo within a half hour.The two enemas are petty much equal in purgative effect, although the Mayo is a bit slower to work. The Mayo tends to be less messy (and stinky)
@KabâA Mayo enema is strongly laxative, almost like an M&M, but less messy. It doesn't âhelp make way for easy passageâ. Take one and you WILL poo within a half hour.ââThe two enemas are petty much equal in purgative effect, although the Mayo is a bit slower to work. The Mayo tends to be less messy (and stinky)â@Sean l have taken both a few times in the past, what l mean by âeasy passageâ is, when the bowels are expanded and rectum distended, stuff has easier passage, as in could fall out a vertical tubeâŚ. the very description in these books that l referred to. Both enemas say â multiple copious bowel movementsâ, and yes, they made me shit multiple times over a lenghty period of time.
@KabFWIW, I don't think that âthe bowels are expanded and rectum distendedâ is really a significant factor in the effectiveness of either enema. Yes, the solutions, when the colonic bacteria get to eating the sugars, cause gas as a by-product, but the increased volume in the colon provokes the urge to poo. Other byproducts of the sugar digestion iritiate the colon lining, again causing a strong urge to poo.Nothing in the enema solution distends the rectum. That's done by the poo being pushed out⌠big or small, hard or soft,m it's gonna come out. After either enema starts to works you simply cannot stop it.
@KabAll I'm saying is that the largest part of the laxative effect of an M&M enema comes from the sugars annoying your bowel lining, causing strong contractions, not the inflation of the bowel caused by the gas.My proof? Air enemas don't cause a strong urge to poo.