Just how safe is retaining a 'fill-up' for 30 minutes or so?

My first posting here was a month or so ago. I've kept current with info from the site and am becoming an 'accomplished novice,' but have a couple of questions that I haven't found answers for yet.

First, after a quick 'cleanout' with a couple of quarts of tap water, it's getting easier to take 4 full quarts of dilute coffee for a relaxing time and a feeling afterward of well-being. 4 quarts seems to be my limit as all but the last half-cup or so is taken in and then stops by itself. I don't use much pressure as my home-made 'bucket' is only a foot or so above me. My question in this case: just how safe is retaining a 'fill-up' for 30 minutes or so? Is there any danger of stretching or stressing the large intestine? I do feel quite bloated and full.

Secondly, I have found that my scrotum either shrinks or draws-up with an enema of nearly any size. This forces the testicles up inside and can be quite uncomfortable. I find that if I tie a cord around the scrotum to keep things more or less where they belong the experience is more pleasant. Anyone else have this problem?

You said you feel full. You didn't say pain. I think your body will tell you what's off limits. I usually fill until I'm completely full, right into the ascending portion of the colon. I've been doing this all my life and my colon works just fine. Of course this is just my non-medical opinion. As far as shrinkage, never had the problem. Is your water cold? Cold water would make my everything shrink and shrivel, LOL!

I wouldn't try to retain 4-Qts more than 15 minutes!

Your bowel can absorb water into the bloodstream much faster than the kidneys can remove it!

You can hit a point where it overloads the cardiovascular system!

Let that happen and it's Darwin Award time for you!

I people with somewhere near normal kidney function,it is not easy to overload the cardiovascular system. The kidney actually are very good about getting rid of water, in fact the 'back end' of kidney function is reabsorbing some of the water to maintain fluid balance. In many individuals, if you block the Reabsorption with a loop diuretic like furosemide or bumetanide, the kidneys can remove close to 2 liters of water per hour. The bad news is that blocking the re uptake also tends to cause large losses of key electrolytes.

The greater danger is probably from electrolyte disturbances. While the Kidneys are pretty good are holding onto electrolytes like Sodium, Potassium and Bicarbonate, they aren't perfect, and as a result, eliminating large amounts of water also tend to eliminate smaller, but not insignificant amounts of key ions such as sodium and potassium.

Lisak said

I wouldn't try to retain 4-Qts more than 15 minutes!

Your bowel can absorb water into the bloodstream much faster than the kidneys can remove it!

You can hit a point where it overloads the cardiovascular system!

Let that happen and it's Darwin Award time for you!

Lisa, why are you such a worrier? Relax. Nobody here is going to end up in the ER from any kind of aqueous, saline, non-alcoholic enema.

First, there is no way the colon will absorb all that much water in 15 minutes, or even absorb the enema to the point of complete absorption, if given enough time, and cause a problem. I also doubt many people would even have the patience to wait that long before expelling. Second, if you drank a gallon of water instead of taking it as an enema, ALL of it will be absorbed faster than the kidneys can remove it, and trust me, you CAN drink a gallon of water without any problems. Note, I didn't say you drink gallons all day long, but the body can VERY EASILY take on a gallon of water and easily maintain an equilibrium or homeostatic state.

As Mattheww50 said earlier today, unless you have severe kidney disease (and you would know it) you won't have any problems holding enemas.

For ease of retention use a two quart Mae West enema. The recipe is here but it is salt & baking soda added to the coffee. i've been adding about a tbls of honey lately too. i have no problem holding this for 30 min. The key i think is to find the temp that suits you best.

I actually think that fluid overload is a serious issue with retention enemas and not primarily because of its cardiovascular effect but because of its effect on the brain (see hyponaetremia). This is why I always add a small amount of salt to plain water retention enemas. If you use something other than plain water, you might not have to do that because there is less difference in osmotic pressure. Then again, I'd be be very careful about the potential effects of that "something else" being absorbed.

It is possible to damage oneself by drinking too much water, drinking a gallon in one sitting is definitely dangerous. Apparently, this is quite a common problem at marathons, for example.

Do you know how long it would take for your colon to absorb a gallon of water? Way more time than it would take for your kidneys to eliminate it. Unless you have kidney disease, you have nothing to worry about

From personal experience, I use coffee and retain for over 30 minutes with two quarts. But I do not try to retain a four quart enema. After I hold the first two quarts for a while, then I take the rest without any problem.

And for the very frequent and high volume enema users, do drink V8 veggie juice. It is loaded with potassium, tastes great and healthy too. The "low sodium" V8 has even higher potassium vs. less salt. Eating bananas also good and loaded with potassium. After being a frequent flusher for a long time, I did have heart arythmia due to electrolyte depletion. So I started putting back in what I was flushing out, and I am fine now--No reoccurance of irregular heartbeat.

You have to remember that the colon and intestines have very thin walls and all fluids are absorbed more readily than in your stomach or kidneys. when doing a coffee enema be sure to limit the actual amount of coffee the your system ingests or you can have a caffeine overload. there have even been deaths cause by people doing alcohol enemas and dying from alcohol poisoning.

I've always been taught to use either salt or baking soda in any enema, to make the solution iso-tonic--that is that will not be absorbed into your system. There is a danger otherwise of brain swelling as the water is absorbed from your bowel. There's an added advantage (unless you're into cramps) of reducing cramping, so you can take more fluid.

@ BowelBoy I'm going to address the poor balls that try their best to hide. Maybe they are just a bit too cool while you are taking your enema. Could try laying a blanket over you lower part or if that is more than you like, a towel. Something to keep them a bit warmer so they stay outside. Unless the string is something you have come to enjoy.

The four quart "fill-up"

I have been doing four quart isotonic/baking soda enemas for over thirty years, with absolutely no ill effects. I have had a bit of hyponatremia when using plain water, but not with the salt/soda solution. experimenting with holding the gallon for forty five minutes or so, I urinated into a measuring cup to measure urinary output. total urination, about a half cup. Weighing myself before the enema, while retaining, and after releasing, I gained about eight pounds with the enema, and had lost a bit more than eight and a half pounds. This tells me that water absorption was minimal. I know that everyone's physiology is different, but a lot of contributors have related similar experiences.

I would not try to retain anything 2-qts or more past 15 minutes. Your body can absorb too much water and go into "Cardiac Overload, which is essentially too much water in the blood and can in some cases cause death.

Also, I think I would do more than one cleanout enema before diving into the coffee enema At least get to a clear return.

Also I don't think I would use too strong coffee, and I would lay off oral coffee or tea except for decaf for at least 6 hours before diving into that.

This discussion has been held many times previously. Unless you have significant heart or kidney conditions, you would be amazed at just how quickly excess water can be eliminated by the kidneys. For people with normal heart and kidney function, this just is not an issue. Normal kidneys can in fact remove close to 2 liters of water per hour. They are rarely asked to do so, but can do so if required. It is tough to get the Colon to pick up more than about 1 liter per hour. While water intoxication and possible death are possible, that generally takes 10+ liters of water to be ingested.

Although we have held 4 qts for as long as 45 minutes with the help of a double balloon catheter, it is not a pleasant experience, and does nothing to improve the colon cleaning function of the enema. So, aside from doing it just to prove you are "SUPERKLISMO", what's the point? Been there, done that...MEH!

@LisaK said

I would not try to retain anything 2-qts or more past 15 minutes. Your body can absorb too much water and go into "Cardiac Overload, which is essentially too much water in the blood and can in some cases cause death.

Also, I think I would do more than one cleanout enema before diving into the coffee enema At least get to a clear return.

Also I don't think I would use too strong coffee, and I would lay off oral coffee or tea except for decaf for at least 6 hours before diving into that.

It's perfectly safe.

The "worriers" are all misinformed and/or have little to no knowledge of how the body works.

I'm a 67-year old with a very sensitive rectum and colon. I've been doing 4+ quart enemas to myself for 50+ years with water, salt solution, baking soda, soap, glycerin or mixtures thereof and retaining them each for usually an hour. Occasionally when I was playing with my switch Domme ex-wife she'd make me hold one for 2-3 hours and we did a couple of overnight enemas where she made me hold them for probably 5-6 hours, all with great enjoyment and arousal and no ill effects whatsoever. Enjoy yourselves. Add some salt if you really worry about absorption to make yourself feel better.

Eric

Soapy4me:

A lot of us really enjoy the sensation of being filled. We do it more for that stimulation than getting cleaned out. I have been known to hold a gallon for up to an hour, just because I enjoy that pressure and feeling. Quite often, even at my age, that feeling will induce an orgasm. Even when it doesn't, a few strokes will always send me over the edge.

I retain most of my coffee enemas for 15-30 minutes. So far, I'm no worse for the wear and usually enjoy the session quite immensely. Whether or not my body is better off is debatable. I'm usually a bit better off psychologically and certainly have enjoyed the shits and giggles.

My lower GI tract is unfortunately very sensitive to being irritated, either from strong solutions or from repeated enema nozzle/catheter entries and exits plus water flowing out at the emptying. So I usually like to do just one quite large enema for a long retention. Long holds are never a competition with anyone - I do the long (~30-60+ minutes) holds simply because 1) I enjoy the physical sensations of filling, pressure and distention, and 2) the emotional/psychological sensations of submission/humiliation when playing as a submissive. As I took enemas over several decades I just learned that I enjoyed the longer retentions more and more, especially after deciding I enjoyed taking them as as a sub. I just hold long enough to not only enjoy the sensations, but to become aroused from the nozzle and enema at some point. I never know when maximum arousal requiring that I climax will occur until it happens on any given day, so my retention times are really determined by my arousal. Occasionally I'll suddenly get so aroused by the balloon catheter and enema that I only hold for 10 or 15 minutes. If I make it to holding my usual 3.5-4.5 quarts out to an hour or more, I've usually had enough distention enjoyment and go ahead and have my orgasm. Then my interest wanes and I almost immediately empty.

However, back when I was with a switch/Domme ex, sometimes she'd enjoy making me hold even longer after my climax to extend her Domme enjoyment watching me struggle to keep holding, especially with much complaining and begging for release coming from me, but I enjoyed the D/s dynamic a lot and would keep holding as long as she required me to. Being told to take a post-orgasm nap and then waking from it still with a full belly are really fascinating sensations.

Eric

I had heard 15 minutes before s about the time befor3 your body starts to absorb the water. Not sure if that is right but soapy water I would not absorbed.

I had heard 15 minutes before s about the time befor3 your body starts to absorb the water. Not sure if that is right but soapy water I would not absorbed.

From whom did you hear that?

Was it a reliable source or someone who said "they THINK 15 minutes?"

I have heard from members that took 4 quarts and then plugged overnight with no ill effects. Trust Susie on this. She knows what she is talking about.

25 minutes is my record. I was just fine. It was only 2 quarts though and mostly empty if you know what I mean.

Megan

Soapy water will be absorbed. Absorbtion or not depends on osmotic balance, and soapsuds for most people don't have enough salts in them to be balanced unless you add salt/bicarbonate/whatever.

Your body will start absorbing water immediately. There's no timer on the process - it comes in contact with the colon wall and you start absorbing it. It is balanced out by excretion, so for most people it is not an issue (barring having to go to the bathroom, but most people who give themselves enemas are expecting a couple of toilet runs).

It's safe. Your body knows what to do and will do it. My very first enema I never did expell. I was so dehydrated that my body just soaked it all up. So it is safe to retain an enema for well, forever should that be the case.

Mashie

It's safe. Your body knows what to do and will do it. My very first enema I never did expell. I was so dehydrated that my body just soaked it all up.

I might have something for that.

If you drank all the water in your enema, you would absorb 100% of it and you would be just fine.

You can actually do more damage drinking ridiculous amounts of water than retaining an enema until it is fully absorbed.