Men posing as women on zity

i can easily imagine some presenting as women because that is how they want/need to be seen and responded to, not for nefarious or predatory reasons? i can imagine such a person using the anonymity of the internet to remove the visuals that result in others responding to them based on how they look vs how they perceive their self and want to be seen? idk, it just seems more complicated to me.

That’s an interesting observation. Goes beyond stating “MTF” in your profile because that automatically classifies someone in a way they may not want.

This thread is not about people transitioning and being reluctant to use the MTF designation. That is not what is going on here.

I know from experience of tackling this problem of males posing as females and on many occasions challenging the individuals who do it that in the vast majority of cases, it is about false representation - an intent to deceive, to trick. And it has been known to happen in order to trick female members into conversations they wouldn't knowingly have had with males, or to trick males into interactions of a nature they wouldn't knowingly have had with other males. And it has been known for banned members to return as the opposite sex in attempts to hide themselves, in the belief they can safely stir things and not be spotted.

I am not speculating about what motivates this, it is something I know. So let us not blur the issue. Let us not conflate different things.

This thread is not about people transitioning and being reluctant to use the MTF designation. That is not what is going on here.

i, respectfully, disagree.

The person who started "this thread" wrote:

"Hi all- I've wondered how many "female" participants are actually men on this forum...first, fetishism is more common amongst men than women, and second, some of the posts seem suspiciously masculine or otherwise clueless about female anatomy/psychology/physiology.

thanks for your thoughts!"

i do not think you, or anyone, can possibly "know" "what motivates this" (as stated by the OP) universally. i'd suggest that to state something absolutely, when reality may present variation, is blurring. The OP did not qualify, as you have inferred: "an intent to deceive, to trick..." and implied, for nefarious reasons. That's your read base on your experience, which i appreciate and add to the mix of reasons why some do this. i do not doubt that there are those who are as you have "challenged" and describe. i disagree that responding with "thoughts" that do not agree with your experience is conflation. Even you qualify "majority of cases," which suggests additional possibilities.

i do not think you, or anyone, can possibly "know" "what motivates this"

Sorry, but actually, yes I can. When I've identified who has been doing this, and their problem behaviours, and confronted them about the issues they have caused with other members, I'm surely in an ideal position to characterise the problem.

I'm not saying there are not a small number of individuals confused about who they are, and perhaps choose to present themselves as the opposite sex. But findings suggest they are relatively few and not very active, so they aren't doing harm. One member who for a time had two identities here, one male and one female, is an example of this. And he admitted wanting to explore what his feminine side, he explained. So yes, it does happen.

But the vast majority of those I have dealt with, and those I am about to deal with, when I can get around to it, are doing so for reasons of deception. They have definitely been up to no good, with varying degrees of seriousness.

The person who started "this thread" wrote:

And

The OP did not qualify, as you have inferred: "an intent to deceive, to trick..." and implied, for nefarious reasons.

@tedhe asked about "Men posing as women on zity" as the title says. So it was qualified as to males deceiving members into believing they are actual women. Not those transitioning or otherwise.

The OP did not qualify, as you have inferred: "an intent to deceive, to trick..." and implied, for nefarious reasons.

Well I talked to the OP about it and yes he did, that is what he meant.

Well I talked to the OP about it and yes he did, that is what he meant.

First off, it is wrong to misconstrue my comments and thoughts as a defense or advocacy for evil, trickery or deceit. i further find it unreasonable to imply that i am blurring the original intent of the OP. A few 'liked' my post, so perhaps i am not alone in my read of the OP? To come back several months later and clarify: "oh yeah, that's what i had in mind," doesn't bring any of us closer to being a mind reader. I'm going by what was written, not what was thought.

Sorry, but actually, yes I can. When I've identified who has been doing this, and their problem behaviours, and confronted them about the issues they have caused with other members, I'm surely in an ideal position to characterise the problem.

I'm not saying there are not a small number of individuals confused about who they are, and perhaps choose to present themselves as the opposite sex. But findings suggest they are relatively few and not very active, so they aren't doing harm. One member who for a time had two identities here, one male and one female, is an example of this. And he admitted wanting to explore what his feminine side, he explained. So yes, it does happen.

Thank you for saying so, i find no disagreement with your second paragraph, and essentially that was the point i was making all along. i wasn't trying to blur anything, sorry if i wasn't clearer about that.

As regards your first paragraph. Had the OP used the same clarifying qualifiers as you have in his OP, i would agree. He did not by my read, so while i can see and agree that there are those who do have wrongful intent, i can also see other possibilities... which i believe is what i said. While i believe your experience carries some authoritative weight, it is anecdotal and does not qualify as evidence to me. Second hand, it doesn't have the same impact on me as it does you.

Still, i bow to your experience here and apologize if any here became confused by my thoughts. i don't think it's ever a good idea to pretend to be something or someone you are not. Heck, i even despise roll play. What i was attempting to express was not advocacy of either side of this coin, rather just possible other motive by the pretender.

And@tedhe asked about "Men posing as women on zity" as the title says. So it was qualified as to males deceiving members into believing they are actual women. Not those transitioning or otherwise.

Yeah, i read that too. Part of my point was, life isn't always that black or white, cut and dried. That point being that some have been a part of a culture that has always seen them as a man, while they identify as a woman, so they do not consider it deceit to present as a woman, even though they know many out there will see them as a man... so they bypass that. Again, consider what i originally wrote:

No doubt there are those who are predators and are posing in that context, but i question whether it is true about all those who do? i can easily imagine some presenting as women because that is how they want/need to be seen and responded to, not for nefarious or predatory reasons? i can imagine such a person using the anonymity of the internet to remove the visuals that result in others responding to them based on how they look vs how they perceive their self and want to be seen? idk, it just seems more complicated to me.

@tallslenderguy

You talked about transsexualism and especially about MTF. MTF are not men. That‘s why it doesn’t fit to the original question.

Hi all- I've wondered how many "female" participants are actually men on this forum...first, fetishism is more common amongst men than women, and second, some of the posts seem suspiciously masculine or otherwise clueless about female anatomy/psychology/physiology.

thanks for your thoughts!

To talk about men who are interested in transvestism or who experiment with their gender role would fit to the question because they are men and they agree to be men.

I mentioned this a few days before (comment No. 50):

„ Honesty is important to me. That's why I asked myself what it would be like for me if I were to communicate with someone here in Zity, for example, who pretends to be a woman even though he is a man or who pretends to be a man even though she is a woman. My first thought was "That's not possible! That's a form of cheating." Later, I saw it in a more differentiated way. If someone pretends to be a different gender, the intention behind it would be decisive for me. Is someone doing it to gain an advantage or to deliberately harm others? If that were the case, it would not be acceptable to me. But if, for example, a man occasionally feels the need to experience himself in the role of a woman and appear like that on the internet, then it would be something else for me. More like men who are transvestites. But to stick to the truth, there should be another option than selecting "man" or "woman" as the gender. There are already several possibilities in Zity. But there is nothing that corresponds to transvestitism.“

I think the biggest group of the fake female accounts belongs to men who @DrZ discriped like this:

the vast majority of cases, it is about false representation - an intent to deceive, to trick. And it has been known to happen in order to trick female members into conversations they wouldn't knowingly have had with males, or to trick males into interactions of a nature they wouldn't knowingly have had with other males.

I believe everyone I have chatted with here is who they say they are, and honest about what they are looking for.

@tallslenderguy

You talked about transsexualism and especially about MTF. MTF are not men. That‘s why it doesn’t fit to the original question.

Yes, you see the topic MTF as women, and so do i. The point of my post was, many do not. Not all trans people are in a 100% state of self acceptance or left unmarked by cultural norms. Also, many (most, all?) trans people have experienced others not seeing or treating them as they are, regardless of how they perceive their selves and identify. Though they are women, and identify their self as women, that does not erase the reality they never know will confront them, that some (most?), will see them as men. i can easily see one of these people who do not believe there is such a thing as a trans person, being offended, and feeling 'deceived, tricked'. There are plenty of instances of MTF women being beaten when they are acting as their true self, and someone sees them as a man and decides to beat them. They would more easily avoid that possibility online. Thus "some":

i can easily imagine some presenting as women because that is how they want/need to be seen and responded to, not for nefarious or predatory reasons? i can imagine such a person using the anonymity of the internet to remove the visuals that result in others responding to them based on how they look vs how they perceive their self and want to be seen? idk, it just seems more complicated to me.

I think a man posing as two women is even worse and causing havoc. Unforgivable in my opinion , but some do.

The wording here makes me give it the side eye.

As a trans woman people often see me as a man pretending to be a women to deceive people.

But there are also guys who actually are pretending, the most obvious are the ones posting supposedly real stories that are so far fetched as to be obvious fabrications better to the likes of literotica.

Those guys should really just make an account on a ero role play site.

While i believe your experience carries some authoritative weight, it is anecdotal and does not qualify as evidence to me. Second hand, it doesn't have the same impact on me as it does you.

Anecdotal? Your implication by using that word is that my statements are unreliable and may not be valid. And further to that, you also expressly reject them as evidence.

But don't you see that you are pitching academic theory against years of actual practical experience and direct personal observation in the field? For reasons of confidentiality I cannot disclose details of the problem cases, but actually there is plenty of evidence to support my comments, and which other moderators have seen.

Why anyone would pose as someone of the other sex on a forum like this is so incredibly bizarre to me.

I love discussing my male desires and recounting my male exam experiences, real and fantasy, with like-minded people here.

There's no way I could do that if I came here each day posing as a female.

Wow! Lots of discussion; great to read. Perhaps a new profile classification is needed MFTBF (male faking to be female)🫨🫨 sorry for joking. Interesting though, I find the folks here to be rather genuine.

Anecdotal? Your implication by using that word is that my statements are unreliable and may not be valid. And further to that, you also expressly reject them as evidence.

But don't you see that you are pitching academic theory against years of actual practical experience and direct personal observation in the field? For reasons of confidentiality I cannot disclose details of the problem cases, but actually there is plenty of evidence to support my comments, and which other moderators have seen.

First, i want to clarify something that may have muddied our exchange. When i said "no one can know what possibly motivates this," i was addressing an absolutist or universal approach to the topic. i do believe, and have acknowledged, that there are people as you describe, and you have encountered them. i don't dispute that. What i suggest is, reality is not just black and white, there is also gray. my comments were on the gray part.

And yes, both what i am saying and what you have said is both subjective and anecdotal. Which is not to say it doesn't carry weight, as i have also stated, but it carries authoritative weight versus something objectively studied resulting in scientific "evidence." That is not intended to impugn your or my experience, just to identify it for what it is. i do not doubt that you and other moderators have identified guys that have done exactly what you state, for the reasons you also state. i never have. What i have disputed all along is that this thread is only about those guys and that those are the only kinds of guys that are out there. Identifying and acknowledging that there is "gray," in my opinion, does not "blur" this topic, it simply includes it. And, from your original response to my original post, you do not want my thoughts or imagination, that possibility, included as part (only part) of this discussion. You believe this thread is exclusively about the REAL offenders you have encountered. As stated long ago, "i disagree." To me, the wording of the OP asked for my "thoughts." i expressed them. They are speculative, subjective, "my thoughts."

@tallslenderguy Please. Enough. Stop beating that poor horse, it's dead. @Amethyst contacted the OP and confirmed his intent matches that of the people you're arguing with.

@tallslenderguy Please. Enough. Stop beating that poor horse, it's dead. @Amethyst contacted the OP and confirmed his intent matches that of the people you're arguing with.

Gladly. Perhaps you can include the others beating the horse that i am responding too.

@tallslenderguy moderators are allowed to have the last word. They’re moderators.

@tallslenderguy moderators are allowed to have the last word. They’re moderators.

lol, You think? Okay, i will say no more on the topic and they can paint me any way they wish with their last word.

First, i want to clarify something that may have muddied our exchange. When i said "no one can know what possibly motivates this," i was addressing an absolutist or universal approach to the topic.

@tallslenderguy - I never did take an 'absolutist' position. I stated as much early on this thread, when I said multiple times that the majority of cases were for purposes of deception. You even acknowledged that I did so, but then you also said

i do not think you, or anyone, can possibly "know" "what motivates this"

And that's what made me wonder if you were serious when you seemed to be giving more weight to academic theory than long experience in the field.

I have no wish to argue with you further. I know what all these cases tell me about the problem, yet I see that you have your own different beliefs because you have an interest in pondering the nature of sexuality. So let's leave it at that.

The questioner had written:

„and second, some of the posts seem suspiciously masculine or otherwise clueless about female anatomy/psychology/physiology.“

So he's talking about comments that seem masculine even though they were supposedly written by a woman. I'm not that experienced with people who are MTF, but I suspect that their comments cannot be characterized with the adjective "masculine" regardless of what other people think about MTF. I can understand that the idea of transgender and MTF in particular is not absurd in the context of the question, but I still think the question was referring to men who have no fundamental problem with their physical gender. The reasons for men pretending to be the opposite sex on the internet and on Zity, for example, remain rather unclear. Some possible reasons have already been mentioned here.

Good grief!! In the words of that great Philosopher, Rodney G. King: "Can't we all get along?"...

Not when people are being fake. Someone mentioned trans that is completely different and it’s not pretending anything. A grown man pretending to be someone else or two some one else’s and themselves, is what is really disturbing. Whatever a person identifies with is not pretend. I have no issue is some one says at this moment in time I have male genitalia but identity as she/her putting that out there is what it’s about.

As much as this is their internet and one should not trust blindly because most things are just fancy based reality, when feeling for “truths” are involved it is a whole other ball game. Everyone stuck on the other end of that words is a person with feelings , and online or not respect shouldn’t be that hard to give.

Firstly, I don't agree that fetishism is higher among men...maybe, maybe not. I do think more women are apt to err on the side of caution so as not to seem too 'sexual' or whatever term would seem fitting and so they keep their fetish hidden from others but women have every right to indulge and acknowledge their fetish tendencies as men. I'm not a feminist but I am acknowledging that one mold isn't just for one category.

Now, to the idea that men would pose as women on here. That sounds like when I was a teenager and would have my friend call my crush to ask him what he thought of me while she "3 wayed" me into the phone conversation. It's petty and childish. It's the same way I don't understand why people lie about their age or why some go out of their way for plastic surgery to gain attention. Be yourself! It's disturbing to be anything other than, and honestly, it would seem exhausting to be other than you are. Fuck people if they don't like you as you are. This platform has proven a safe space to open up about our fetishes and true desires...some will agree and others will not...it's the fact of life! Like my Anthony always states, get rid of the "people confidence"...always seeking for people's approval. That's what gets us in a whirl of shit. Worrying about other people's opinions. Find peace within yourself, grow into gaining confidence in yourself, and be you. The right people will be attracted to that, and you'll help others, in the process, to also be comfortable with themselves. 🤷‍♀️ I don't know, just some thoughts on this subject matter.

Maybe getting caught may be a way for an individual to develop change and practice self respect which should lend to respecting others.

So he's talking about comments that seem masculine even though they were supposedly written by a woman. I'm not that experienced with people who are MTF...

@passiverPatient this topic is not about transgender members. It is about males misrepresenting themselves as female, posting as if they are actual females. Please do not confuse this topic with comments that it is not being asked about.

No one should be confusing transgender members, as long as they have this information presented on their profile, with those members that are actually lying about their gender in this topic. Posting and chatting as a female when they are not is not allowed on Zity.biz. Moderators have dealt with such members in the past, as @DrZ has stated. It has happened before and will happen again.

@MissStress

@passiverPatient this topic is not about transgender members. It is about males misrepresenting themselves as female, posting as if they are actual females. Please do not confuse this topic with comments that it is not being asked about.

Thank you for the clarification. I completely agree with you and DrZ. Perhaps it is due to the fact that English is not my first language, and I therefore clumsily formulated what I meant. I just wanted to argue that the questioner's question contradicts that it is about transgender people. I understood the question from the beginning to be about men who are okay with their gender and are posing as women in Zity to achieve their goals through manipulation. DrZ spoke from experience and explained very logically what is meant. It was not my intention to cause confusion or offend anyone. I apologize for that.

@passiverPatient there is no offense taken. The two, very different reasons - males posing as females and MTF, do not need to get mixed together in this discussion. As one is not allowed and the other is.

Food for thought. Have a verification system where you have to show your face and hold up a sign. It would only be for the verification process. None of the members would see anyone's face. I can appreciate what the moderators do. Been here 16 years. I know it is not easy.