Schools "warning" boys in advance

. I wish I still had a copy of this very weird document from the 1980's when I was a teen

Sounds like it written up by someone with something of predilection towards medfet activity of a sort, certainly towards describing intimate medical procedures during an exam. Must have been an interesting assignment having to write up such a form. I wonder how long and how thoroughly they ruminated and thought about the assignment and how long they actually took to complete it.

Not something you'd quickly finish and complete on a calm afternoon …

@agracier Maybe. The doctor she was very nice but the nurse was sort of creepy in that she watched my brother and I get undressed,she did not even pretend to do something else she just stared at us until we were stripped down to our briefs. When I got on the scale she asked what middle school I went to (I was 13 at the time) as she was adjusting the weights. I told her and she said something like ‘I’ve probably seen most of the boys in your class in their undies on this scale'. I was kind of creeped out but it was incredibly hot once I was home masturbating to it. So maybe she had the medfet .

Even in the latter 50's none of that ever happened in the Public schools. Never happened in High School either. The Schools did not mess with that.This was a parental medical scenario that was done at the Dr.'s office only.

@sensei1980 @roscoe

Yes, this certainly exemplified the obvious double standard in which girls were handled with care, boys not so much!

I got the notice every couple of years. My parents sent me to my pediatrician for my school required physicals.

In France in the 60's, there was every year of school a mandatory school physical examination, it was not optional, you could not go to see a private doctor instead of reporting at the school physicals. If you were not available that day or were sick, the parents might inform the school authorities and you were summoned on an other day with another class of boys.

The school physical examinations took place generally on the second week of the year school after you have had at least one PE lesson and they lasted for two weeks .. in an only boys school.

Each year there was a letter sent to the parents a few days before but very short with the day and the hour of the exam, the name and gender of the doctor was not mentioned nor how thorough would be the exam.

It was just mentioned that it was mandatory and that each boy would be examined and that if the parents wanted that their son was exempted of sport or swimming they might give to him a medical exemption by a private doctor that he would show on his exam.

Nothing was said about exam of genitals and balls or about exam of anus area.. only the exam of the spine was generally mentioned because it was important to detect scoliosis or other issues.

What was always mentioned, even at high school, was that the parents might be sure that their sons were clean, so their sons might have taken a bath or washed on the morning of the exam day, and their sons might wear clean socks and clean underwear. Which meaned that we would have to undress at least until briefs. I must add that it was justified since we would have to wait with just a brief for at least one hour in group in the locker room under supervision of the PE teacher (no matter if we were naked after).

The day before a monitor came during a class to recall us that we had next day our physical examination and that we might take a bath or washed and have clean socks and underwear. It was embarrassing to be told by a monitor about the requirement to be clean in presence of a teacher.. but they did it each year of school, even at high school.

And the day of the exam, the Pe teacher asked to all the group who was instructed to undress all together in a waiting room if each boy had thought to change of socks and underwear.

What is funny was that the same requirement to be clean and to wear clean socks and underwear was mentioned also on the summon letter that our parents received before our report in front of the draft board commission. For a physical examination at 18 age for checking the fitness to military service and same for the summon to report at a military medical pre-induction center .

We were treated as if we were kids, always under authority and control of our parents which was legally true! Of course our mothers were careful about our socks and briefs on that day even if we knew and they knew that we will be examined stark naked, not wearing briefs!

Nothing like that EVER happened in Schools in England- Maybe in Full Grammar Colleges- But I never ever heard of any such like - But a Nit Nurse would come and put a very very fine comb through your hair- checking for creepy crawlies- Lice.

Worse thing I ever heard of was severe Bullying in Eton & Harrow and such places - film- that came out “Tom Brown's School Days”, where they grabbed and spread- eagled a Boy and held him over the open fire to Brown his Arse! Vile Stuff!

I'm amazed a zity member could track down these forms. Turkeyfoot sounds like a fake name, but a google search takes one to the site, and under ‘nurse’ and emergency information…is the form. Sycamore is weird. They're a school management company. I couldn't find the form.

My mother is a doctor, and she took me to a woman pediatrician for all of my care except surgery, until I graduated from high school. Pediatrician found a varicocele--dilated veins in the scrotum, and had my mother check up on them every 6 months after I had a shower. Warm water relaxes the cremaster.

Here's two more:

Physical examinations by the school physician are available if the parent/guardian prefers that the school assume responsibility for the examination. School physical exams are usually performed in late winter. Students will be asked to remove all clothing except underwear, and will be offered a paper gown. The school examination consists of a brief head-to-toe inspection and evaluation which will include auscultation (listening) of the heart and lungs as well a abdominal palpation. In boys, genetalia will be examined, but examination of genitalia is deferred in females.

https://www.fleetwoodasd.org/content_page.aspx?cid=72

Your child will be asked to disrobe to underclothing: boys will wear socks and underpants; girls will wear socks, underpants, and a loose shirt without a bra or undershirt. While every effort is made to preserve dignity and privacy, most health offices are too small to provide the level of privacy your child may be used to in his/her private provider's office. Other children of the same sex may be in the changing area. Your child may need to walk small distances partially clothed to get to, from, and around the exam area. The exam includes a complete head-to-toe screening of all major organ systems, INCLUDING BREASTS/PUBIC AREA FOR GIRLS AND HERNIA/PENIS/TESTICLES/PUBIC AREA FOR BOYS, AND INGUINAL/GROIN AREA FOR PULSE EXAMINATION FOR BOTH GENDERS. The examiner will touch your child. There may or may not be an additional person as a chaperone present during the examination. THIS IS AN INTIMATE EXAM BEST DONE IN YOUR PRIVATE PHYSICIAN'S OFFICE BY A PROVIDER YOUR CHILD KNOWS AND TRUSTS.

https://www.rcsdk12.org/cms/lib/NY01001156/Centricity/Domain/8184/Sport%20Requalification%20Form.pdf

Here's two more

@intub11 Thank you so much for finding these forms. In the past I've enjoyed reading forms like this but haven't bothered to look for them lately.

I find the Rochester City schools form to be very interesting. They try really hard to convince the parent that they should really have their child examined by their own physician. They make the exam that the school will conduct sound like it will be extremely embarrassing for the child. Yet, apparently some parents still have it done at the school. Perhaps it's simply a matter of the cost of having it done by their own physician. Or the parents don't think it's that big of a deal to have it done at school.

I've never had an exam like that in school. I think it would be really awkward to have everyone know that I'm about to be examined. It's really embarrassing to have the girls know I will have to get naked and have my genitals examined, especially by a female doctor.

I was submitted to genital exam at school, it was quick and involved testicles check and foreskin retraction to exclude phimosis. As far as I remember it was performed by female doctor.

I would not put my child at risk by allowing a stranger to touch them. A school doctor, NP or PA is just that: A stranger. The term “Medical Professional” does not mean they are a saint. Send your child to his/her own doctor. Always. Never trust the school system.

I would not put my child at risk by allowing a stranger to touch them. A school doctor, NP or PA is just that: A stranger. The term “Medical Professional” does not mean they are a saint. Send your child to his/her own doctor. Always. Never trust the school system.

Seems like contrary reasoning.

Since school exams are often done in group and under school supervision, it would be logical to think that there is actually more control and oversight against any potential improprieties. A number of school personnel will be acting as chaperones and the students will never really be alone.

Seems like contrary reasoning.

Since school exams are often done in group and under school supervision, it would be logical to think that there is actually more control and oversight against any potential improprieties. A number of school personnel will be acting as chaperones and the students will never really be alone.

Oh contraire to your so called contrary reasoning. At some point the child and the so called medical professional might be in a curtained off or other area of privacy. The additional school personal present will not see anything, too busy to notice any inappropriate behavior or even worse may actually know and just not care. Unlike how the status quo might be in Belgium folks here in The USA have a healthy and justifiable distrust of big government authority.

Since school exams are often done in group and under school supervision, it would be logical to think that there is actually more control and oversight against any potential improprieties. A number of school personnel will be acting as chaperones and the students will never really be alone.

Seems to me that there would be a lot more risk for a less than scrupulous medical personnel in a group setting with lots of people around (even when behind a curtained area) than in a private office. Lots easier to hide any inappropriate touching when in the privacy of closed room. Don't they bring in Drs and Nurses from private practices for these physicals??

It's also possible for the Dr. that you “trust” to be a very clever abuser as well as the one in the group exam. Good 'ol Larry Nassar assaulted his victims in the privacy of his office for many years.

Oh contraire to your so called contrary reasoning. … Unlike how the status quo might be in Belgium folks here in The USA have a healthy and justifiable distrust of big government authority.

It's ‘au contraire’ if you wish to use French … ha ha

Anyway, seems like the premise is ‘no matter what the situation is, always mistrust anything from any level of government.’ No matter what the objective situation is. Even if far more people are around in the vicinity of and as overseers and assistants during a school assembly-line examination.

That really makes little sense. That is like saying that there is a huge potential for abuse during an armed forces medical induction exam because there are people everywhere leaving examinees with virtually no privacy.

Why bring up nationalities in such a discussion? My remarks were about numbers, objective numbers of people present in one situation versus less people present in another situation. None of this has anything to do with nationality

I don’t like where this is going.

I don’t like where this is going.

Agreed. What does any of this have to do with the original subject, which I actually enjoyed?

This needs to go back on topic. It will be a lot better without the politics and it is not about abuse by doctors, please just talk about the subject.

Thank you.

Great finds, those forms in the initial post.

From my school physicals, I can still remember that during class a teacher would announce the visit of the schooldoctor a few weeks in advance. Although participation was not mandatory, the announcement always caused a lot of buzz in the class and school in general. The teachers never talked about what the physical exam would entail, and most students would actually never participate, but still there was always a lot of speculation among my class mates.

Then about a week in advance my parents would receive a letter from the public health service about the upcoming schooldoctor physical. Since it was not mandatory, my parents would let me read the letter and I could decide on my own whether to participate or not (although my parents did of course advice me to participate) . The letter was not really specific. In short it said that the physical was aimed at monetoring my health and physical development through assessing things like eye sight, hearing, weight and height. It also mentioned that proper hygiëne as well as clean and easy clothes where required. Then in one of the last phrases it would say that the student would be required to undress for the physical exam. Reading this last part always made me feel a bit nervous as well as excited with growing anticipation towards the actual day of my physical. Unfortunately, I have never been able to find this standard form online.

On the same topic: recently I had a physical exam for an insurance. You can find many questions on this topic on the internet. Many people enquire what the exam entails and whether you need to undress for this or not. The insurance company itself is a bit vague about the details of the physical exam, although local law requires that the level of exam (and certainly undressing) should be kept to an absolute minimum. Actually local law only allows a (very basic, and still no undressing) physical in case the online questionaire raises questions or in case of random sampling. In my case I was aparrantly selected based on random sampling, so I received a call from the insurance company to schedule an appointment. The lady on the phone briefly explained that I had be selected for a basic phyical exam comprising of measuring weight, height and BP. She said that I could stay dressed during the physical and only would have to a take off my shoes. She then send me an email with a physical exam form that would have to be filled in by the doctor on my appointment. The form covered much more than the points she mentioned, but there was an accompanying letter for the doctor with instructions on which points to assess. The letter mentioned as expected weight, height and BP, but also left it up to the expertise of the doctor to asses 'other relevant factors’. The form also had a few noticeable options for the doctor to decide. The line item for weight for instance had three options to strike through: dressed with shoes/dressed without shoes/undressed. So although the lady on the phone had suggested that I could stay fully dressed, the letter and form caused again the familiar feeling of nervousness and excitement towards my physical exam appointment…..and as if the doctor knew my fetish, first thing he instructed me to do during my physical was to undress to my underwear. (which really seemed unnecessary in this case).

I've never had an exam like that in school. I think it would be really awkward to have everyone know that I'm about to be examined. It's really embarrassing to have the girls know I will have to get naked and have my genitals examined, especially by a female doctor.

I am living in Germany too. We had this exam in school back in the 90s. and yes: there were double standards. We girls knew, that we were allowed to keep on our underwear, but the boys had their genitals examined. All exams were single exams; group exams were not performed.

I am living in Germany too. We had this exam in school back in the 90s. and yes: there were double standards. We girls knew, that we were allowed to keep on our underwear, but the boys had their genitals examined. All exams were single exams; group exams were not performed.

@SabsSan I bet you had fun teasing the boys about that.😈 Did any of the girls find a way to sneak a peek?

@SabsSan I bet you had fun teasing the boys about that.😈 Did any of the girls find a way to sneak a peek?

It was not possible to sneak a peek the exams, of course. But we girls were curious and some (not me) made even fun of the boys.

I was on trip to the Andes. A medical team was expected to visit the village to perform routine exams of the children in the school and administered vaccines. They were eagerly awaited and the school hall was prepared at least 3 days in advance. It seemed to be quite an event.

Parents accompanied the kids. It was boys and girls together aged from 6 to 10 I guessed. A long table was set up at one end with the doctor and 2 nurses. It was a production line procedure where the nurse called child and parent, asked a few questions checked the paperwork, marked the health passbook and moved them on to the doctor behind the table. He checked eyes, nose, mouth, told the parent to bare the child's chest and used his stethoscope on the chest and back. If it was a boy the pants were lowered for a quick feel of the genitals and the cough test. Most took it in their stride and moved on to the other nurse for their jab in the backside. A couple of them were visibly embarrassed at being bared in front of everyone and one girl protested loudly as her mum lifted her clothes above her tiny breasts drawing attention to herself. The mother was upset at her girl's bad manners and cuffed her on the head and ordered her to be still, then roughly pushed on to the nurse's station for her vaccine where she had her bottom bared for her injection.

We only had group physicals if you wanted to try out for a sports team or play intramural sports. The girls absolutely knew we were stripped and had to turn our head and cough. They did bring in a female doctor because the girls didn’t like the around 70 year old male doctor. There were no forms other than parental signature for consent to the exam. The doctors assistant filled out the form on a clipboard as the doctor did the exam. Now they no longer do school exams here. my kids had the forms filled out by their pediatrician or the nurse practitioner

I would not put my child at risk by allowing a stranger to touch them. A school doctor, NP or PA is just that: A stranger. The term “Medical Professional” does not mean they are a saint. Send your child to his/her own doctor. Always. Never trust the school system.

A group physical setting, station to station, in a relatively open area at school without closed doors and with lots of people around the way they were done when I was in school is probably the setting that is least likely to give rise to abuse. There is nothing about “the school system” that is uniquely risky.

A group physical setting, station to station, in a relatively open area at school without closed doors and with lots of people around the way they were done when I was in school is probably the setting that is least likely to give rise to abuse.

Well said. I've thought the same thing for a very long time now. Group activities, such as physical exams and showers are more embarrassing for the participants. But at the same time, because they're done in the open, the ability for others to watch and see what's going on provides an additional level of security.

And I've felt the same way about bondage scenes. I'm more nervous visiting a Dom for a one-on-one session in his house than I am at a large bondage event at a local dungeon. If something happens at a one-on-one session (the Dom goes too far and doesn't respect your limits or has some medical emergency), there's nobody to help. But at a larger event, I always have the feeling that someone might step in to help if something bad happens.

There is nothing about “the school system” that is uniquely risky.

Of course there isn't. You were answering what is, I surmise, a post based on the (presently vocal) philosophy of distrusting any level of government.

The one from the Rochester City schools seems pretty standard for a school district in NY. I don’t know that the school I went to was quite as blunt on their paperwork. But the exams were always thorough.