Ileo-Cecal Valve

I was just wondering, has anyone ever had their enema go past their ileo-cecal valve. If so, how did it feel? If you did, did you have any problems? How much water did it take?

I'll be interested to see what susie has to say about this. I believe it is possible but not sure about the advisability from a health standpoint. At a certain point you don't want lower bacterial getting into places it shouldn't.

I do not think that anybody that has any health knowledge, whether Susie or anybody else, would agree with trying this.

This is not a good idea because the small intestine is not colonized by bacteria like the large intestine. That's not to say the small intestine is sterile, but it has nowhere near the bacterial load of the large intestine, especially if there are pathogenic bacteria present.

Having said that it is possible to have an enema go past the ileocecal valve and if you attempt this you need to be extremely careful about the pressure. Also note that when doing a colonoscopy, they can pass through the ileocecal valve and enter the small intestine.

I have had it happen twice in my life more than ten to fifteen years ago (NOT ON PURPOSE and it was unexpected) after having completely cleared the large intestine with colonic irrigations resulting in a completely clear return followed by an enema using a squeeze bulb to pulse small volumes to see what my water capacity might be. The pulsing apparently eased open the valve. All I wanted to do was slowly increase the amount of water I took to see my capacity. When the pressure inside the large intestine released and the water flowed into the small intestine, there was a sensation of a rush of water and a noticeable decrease of pressure inside my colon.

On the other side of the coin, the rush of water could also be a colon perforation and you should quickly get to the hospital so they can do a contrast CT scan so they can find the perforation, get you into surgery and repair it or give you a colostomy depending on how large and where the colon perforation or tear is.

I promise you'll have a hellish recovery if you aren't careful doing this.

Not a good thing to do!

When you cleans your system, the small intestine is actually the hardest part to clear. and the reason wshy it is so hard to really clear the large intestine.

The stomach releases part of it's content into the small intestine about every 20 minutes or so.

The small intestine releases part of it's content to the large intestine at about the same interval but almost never in sync with the stomach.

The stomach can be cleared by fasting, after 12 hours it is only a little bit of residual left to pass from the stomach. 12 hours is a good amount of time to fast before starting the enema in a cleanse.

Then clear the large intestine with enemas till clear.

Clear yellow liquid, with no Visible food scraps IS a clear return anything beyond that is too dangerous.

A bottle of magnesium citrate taken about 30 minutes after the last enema will within a couple of hours after that clear out the small intestine well enough, as well as take out the last few ounces of remaining enema.

Anyone exceeding 2-3 qts are slipping thru the valve its easy to open ,filling the small is enjoyable but takes longer to expell

Since my bowel resection, radiation and chemo., I have had C. Diff. infections and P,M.C. several times. My R.N. niece told me that I am probably colonized with C. Diff in my large bowel. It would be VERY dangerous for me to have water pass the ileo-cecal valve and deposit C. Diff. into the small bowel.

Since my bowel resection, radiation and chemo., I have had C. Diff. infections and P,M.C. several times. My R.N. niece told me that I am probably colonized with C. Diff in my large bowel. It would be VERY dangerous for me to have water pass the ileo-cecal valve and deposit C. Diff. into the small bowel.

You should speak to your doctor about a fecal transplant which 80% to 90% of the time results in a new colonization of bacteria that will out-compete the C diff and run it out over time.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2018/02/new-c-diff-guidelines-incorporate-fecal-transplant

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3365524/

https://www.contagionlive.com/news/new-fecal-transplant-method-treats-c-difficile-like-instant-coffee

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/gastroenterology_hepatology/clinical_services/advanced_endoscopy/fecal_transplantation.html

https://www.statnews.com/2018/02/15/fecal-transplants-c-diff-idsa/

https://healthydebate.ca/opinions/c-difficile-fecal-transplants

I was just wondering, has anyone ever had their enema go past their ileo-cecal valve. If so, how did it feel? If you did, did you have any problems? How much water did it take?

I've taken 5 quarts one single time as an experiment, and multiple 4 quart enemas as my fairly routine volume now. Each of those clearly gave tactile, sensory and sound/aural evidence of having reached my cecum, and were retained for somewhere between 15-60 minutes each. However none of them felt any different than smaller volumes as far as any unusual feelings or other evidence that they had crossed or opened my ileocecal valve. Unless I suddenly had an unusual feeling or perhaps unusual sound (which I haven't), I'm not sure I would ever know the cross-valve flow had occurred. How would you know?

Eric

I can't say for certain that you will seriously injure yourself but the risk/benefit analysis definitely favors cleansing the small intestine with an oral isotonic or saline laxative and not with the enemas themselves.

I know there is this temptation to go a little further when doing the things we love to do, but overfilling the colon so it flows back into the small intestine is a crazy idea.

I maybe in a rut with my 2 quart enemas, but they always produce relaxing and erotic sensations, which is my goal.

You may think that nothing can go wrong, but when you take things to the extreme you can seriously hurt yourself.

Live to play but always play so can play another day.

I tend to not push myself either. The consequences can be expensive, embarrassing, inconvenient and uncomfortable. Playing safe can be pretty fun and, well, safe.

When I do push myself I do my research and make sure it's a "safe push"

I tend to not push myself either. The consequences can be expensive, embarrassing, inconvenient and uncomfortable. Playing safe can be pretty fun and, well, safe.

When I do push myself I do my research and make sure it's a "safe push"

Good idea.

I know there is this temptation to go a little further when doing the things we love to do, but overfilling the colon so it flows back into the small intestine is a crazy idea.

I maybe in a rut with my 2 quart enemas, but they always produce relaxing and erotic sensations, which is my goal.

You may think that nothing can go wrong, but when you take things to the extreme you can seriously hurt yourself.

Live to play but always play so can play another day.

You're both smart to be aware of what complications can arise and minimize them. Have fun, play safe.

Eric

I tend to not push myself either. The consequences can be expensive, embarrassing, inconvenient and uncomfortable. Playing safe can be pretty fun and, well, safe.

When I do push myself I do my research and make sure it's a "safe push"

Realized I forgot "deadly or debilitating" in that list as well, which they CAN be if you are unsafe and/or unlucky.

Most of the valves in the body, and it's full of them, are similar in structure to an industrial "check valve" that is a one-way valve.

Just like any other one way valve, if you push enough pressure through in the reverse direction it is possible to "blow" the valve and push whatever fluid it's supposed to check the wrong way through the line past that valve.

This WILL damage and usually destroy the valve. It will never work completely right again. The only "out" is to replace the valve.

Human heart valves can be replaced. The veins in the leg can be effectively shut down, and the other veins will compensate, but I don't really find any surgical repair on the Ileo-cecal valve. It's structure shows it is basically a one-way valve, so once you force anything the wrong way through it, you have already done some damage.

Soft tissue injury can heal very slow or not at all.

In the past, when I receive large volume such as over a gallon, I felt the valve opens and water flow coming upward from lower right of my belly. The feeling of the fullness was completely differnt between before and after. However, it doesn't happen in the several years such that I posted a question to ask any tip to open the valve in this forum. Currently without feeling the valve opens, I can manage to accept more than 5 liters. I don't know if it is because my large intestine got larger or I got insensitive for the valve on-off.

I usually do 4 quarts and did 5 one time as an experiment. Even then, I felt nothing unusual that made me think about the ileocecal valve opening. I can't even really imagine what that would feel like.

Eric

When I take more than 4 quart enema:

With water I don't know If water pass the Ileo-Cecal Valve but I often suppose that It pass because the enema take hours to expel.

With air It is more easily to pass the valve and the air go out thew the mouth.