Choosing to have your son cut or not

I've evoked a visceral response from you. It seems I've touched a nerve. You've decided to respond to my suggestion by insulting my intelligence. I would not be the first person to suggest that male and female genitalia are analogous. Despite what you have been numbed to, male genital mutilation is every bit as wrong as female genital mutilation. Perhaps you have been complicit in such a procedure and now feel convicted by my comment. I don't really know. I can't imagine what else might have precipitated your attack on me.

What has been done to me is done. I am simply warning parents, and future parents, that infant circumcision is an act of violence against a helpless child by those he trusts most. It has lifelong consequences.

A paraphrase is just a good as a quote if it says what you want to say. Missing "quote" marks is your clue that it is. Just sayin' 😃

@Morty said

I've evoked a visceral response from you. It seems I've touched a nerve. You've decided to respond to my suggestion by insulting my intelligence. I would not be the first person to suggest that male and female genitalia are analogous. Despite what you have been numbed to, male genital mutilation is every bit as wrong as female genital mutilation. Perhaps you have been complicit in such a procedure and now feel convicted by my comment. I don't really know. I can't imagine what else might have precipitated your attack on me.

#1---I said your general knowledge is questionable. I didn't say anything about your intelligence. I was stating a fact. An intelligent person can possess a lack of knowledge on various topics, although in light of your recent post, I may change my mind.

#2--- the various parts of male and female genital anatomy have HOMOLOGOUS structures in both sexes, NOT analogous parts. Your anatomic knowledge is also in question. Being able to rub one out on your wife does not mean you know anatomy.

About that homologous tissue and special mucosa nerve endings of the female vestibule to the internal male foreskin tissue.

For the females here ... does stimulation of your vestibule tissue provide sensations different than your clitoris or labia? Can you achieve orgasm by merely stimulating your vestibule tissue? Or would you just as soon numb those nerves if it adds nothing to your sexual experience?

I've often thought about that.

[edited for spell check 😃]

@bobsie said

A paraphrase is just a good as a quote if it says what you want to say. Missing "quote" marks is your clue that it is. Just sayin' 😃

paraphrase def: The adaptation or alteration of a text or quotation to serve a different purpose from that of the original.

A paraphrase is one level removed from what a person said and is not as good as a direct quote even if the basic idea is similar. The choice of words for clarification is also important regarding the specifics of the statement which may not have been carried over in a paraphrase.

paraphrase def: The adaptation or alteration of a text or quotation to serve a different purpose from that of the original.

Yep, and that's exactly what Morty did with his statement.

I'd rather talk about your vestibule. 😃

Yep, and that's exactly what Morty did with his statement.

I'd rather talk about your vestibule. 😃

Which one?

The entry to my house or my vagina?

Which one?

The entry to my house or my vagina?

Wow, you must have a grand house if it has a vestibule. When I enter my house, calling that space a hallway is a delusion of grandeur ... ha ha

Which one?

The entry to my house or my vagina?

Whichever.... 😉

We decided before birth but this is a personal choice and there is no right or wrong way to go. Most people choose to go with what the dad has (I am a labor & delivery RN and we ask about their preference on admission). In my humble opinion, it's difficult enough to get kids to shower, let alone retract foreskin for extra cleaning.

In my humble opinion, it's difficult enough to get kids to shower, let alone retract foreskin for extra cleaning.

Probably some truth to that. I've been with several who failed to clean their ever damp vulva vestibules. So yes, extra genital cleaning is important... cutting not so much.

I'm circumcised, and while I sometimes wonder what it would be like to have a foreskin I imagine that it probably isn't too terrible to be cut. I have trouble getting over two things though with a kid. One is that you are making a choice for them in a nonessential medical procedure, thus depriving them of consent without a pressing reason. Second is that my dad (who didn't do circumcisions, but did do surgeries) was very much of the impression that you need to have a good reason to do surgical intervention, and I'm not sure if circumcision reaches that level.

Circumcised men have a lower risk of HIV/AIDS. So there *is* a health benefit.

Myself, it's a deal breaker for me. What about you, ladies and gay men?

@agracier said

Wow, you must have a grand house if it has a vestibule. When I enter my house, calling that space a hallway is a delusion of grandeur ... ha ha

I hope that doesn't also imply I have a big vagina.

I have always done my kegels and had a tight muscular pussy capable of cracking walnuts.

I hope that doesn't also imply I have a big vagina.

I have always done my kegels and had a tight muscular pussy capable of cracking walnuts.

I started doing kegels when I was 12, really early and my husband says I am very strong down there. when did you start?

@SwitchableSusie -

I have always done my kegels and had a tight muscular pussy capable of cracking walnuts.

DAMN!!! Susie! I'm betting every guy on here would chip in to a crowd funding account to see a video of that! LOL! (Lest you ask whether you doing kegels or cracking walnuts: it's the walnuts, LOL!) (Lots of women do kegels, but I've never seen a woman crack walnuts with their pussy.) (PM me: I'll shoot the footage and split the movie rights 75/25...you get the 75!)

Circumcised men have a lower risk of HIV/AIDS. So there *is* a health benefit.

Myself, it's a deal breaker for me. What about you, ladies and gay men?

No I like my husband being uncircumcised.

I hope that doesn't also imply I have a big vagina.

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No, I was seriously talking about a human habitation, about houses in which people live. I open my door from the street and then it is less than 1 meter to the stairs. Doesn't even qualify as a hallway.

I hope that doesn't also imply I have a big vagina.

I have always done my kegels and had a tight muscular pussy capable of cracking walnuts.

Aha! Now we know, your real name is Hillary.

Playdate: I think this is a rather weak argument. I find it difficult to believe that there are men who otherwise wash properly (e.g. anus) but cannot pull on their foreskin.

All my brothers and I were circumcised at birth. I really don't have a problem with it being done and I think most of my generation was judging from being in locker rooms. We also had my son done 45 years ago, I guess just because everyone did. I'm not sure I would do the same thing now but it is way too late for regrets. I don't miss having one although I guess it could be handy in a blizzard.

Playdate: I think this is a rather weak argument. I find it difficult to believe that there are men who otherwise wash properly (e.g. anus) but cannot pull on their foreskin.

I agree. I'm 68, not circumcised and would never want to be. Oh, yes, and in 68 years have never once had a penile infection or other urologic malady. Washing is just a pleasant part of normality, even when I was a child. I think the argument that your son couldn't or wouldn't wash himself sounds benevolent and convincing, but not really a practical concern. My younger son is developmentally delayed on the very functional end of the autism spectrum, but he's never had any foreskin or penis problems, now age 23.

Eric

I don't miss having one although I guess it could be handy in a blizzard.

It would have been quite nice for the guy on "Naked And Afraid" who was in such pain from the sunburn he got before they made it to a shady place that the girl with him actually felt bad for him.

It would have been quite nice for the guy on "Naked And Afraid" who was in such pain from the sunburn he got before they made it to a shady place that the girl with him actually felt bad for him.

I'll bet that would really hurt, especially when you peed. Too bad she didn't have a cup of ice to apply. What's the difference though? Wouldn't the foreskin be burnt?

@Amethyst said

I started doing kegels when I was 12, really early and my husband says I am very strong down there. when did you start?

I started doing kegels for real when I was about 15. I could tell from long car trips, I had the abillity to go many hours between going to the bathroom. When I was around 11-12 I used larger diameter candles but had to stop doing that because I was wrongly accused of playing with matches. At that point in my sexual development, I wasn't about to tell my mother I was using her fancy dinner candles to fuck myself [vagina and anus]. I started using the larger "dinner sized" frankfurters, and cooked kielbassa as makeshift dildos because they had a nice smooth surface and once warmed up slightly in the microwave felt really good sliding in and out. They also felt really good to clamp down on them after they were inserted, but I never really thought I was doing kegels when I was doing that, I just thought I was having a good time. When I was 16 and frequenting sex shops, I bought myself a few dildos of different sizes and textures. Once I had the dildos, I really got heavily into doing the kegels. Having full access to porn on cable tv as a kid, playing with and deeply inserting the candles, kielbassa and dildos from such a young age was the main reason it was so easy for me to start having sex. I was already used to having good sized objects inside my vagina thrusting in and out. Having intercourse the first time at 17 was practically a non-event. I fucked my boyfriend [NOT my husband] for all I was worth and a terrific time was had by all. The only reason I waited until I was 17 was because my mother asked me to wait until then, and I respected her so much, I actualIy granted that request. I went from being a virgin to doing the guys in Mathletes, the debate club and half the football team in a matter of months. My only regret is not having had stock in the condom companies.

I started doing kegels for real when I was about 15. I could tell from long car trips, I had the abillity to go many hours between going to the bathroom. When I was around 11-12 I used larger diameter candles but had to stop doing that because I was wrongly accused of playing with matches. At that point in my sexual development, I wasn't about to tell my mother I was using her fancy dinner candles to fuck myself [vagina and anus]. I started using the larger "dinner sized" frankfurters, and cooked kielbassa as makeshift dildos because they had a nice smooth surface and once warmed up slightly in the microwave felt really good sliding in and out. They also felt really good to clamp down on them after they were inserted, but I never really thought I was doing kegels when I was doing that, I just thought I was having a good time. When I was 16 and frequenting sex shops, I bought myself a few dildos of different sizes and textures. Once I had the dildos, I really got heavily into doing the kegels. Having full access to porn on cable tv as a kid, playing with and deeply inserting the candles, kielbassa and dildos from such a young age was the main reason it was so easy for me to start having sex. I was already used to having good sized objects inside my vagina thrusting in and out.

lol Well I never inserted things except tampons but my mum bought me my first dildo when I was 16. I was already practicing my kegels when my boyfriend's (my husband now) penis was in anyway.

lol Well I never inserted things except tampons but my mum bought me my first dildo when I was 16. I was already practicing my kegels when my boyfriend's (my husband now) penis was in anyway.

Your mother was very thoughtful to buy you a dildo. All mothers should do that. It's just one step up from tampons and would really help most girls immensely. I would have done that when they were about 16 or so, but both my slutty girls 😜 beat me to it, buying them on their own when they were 15. They started having sex with their boyfriends when they were 16. I had hoped they would wait until they were 17, for a bit more physical development, but apparently their sex drive was just too strong. Having a dildo, they could play with them, masturbate and get used to the feeling of having sex in the privacy of their own bedrooms without having any responsibility to make anyone else feel good or worry about becoming pregnant. It would just be a learning process for them to see how their body works. Perfect.

Circumcised men have a lower risk of HIV/AIDS. So there *is* a health benefit.

Not necessarily lower if you have the preferred "high" cut.

Also about playdate's answer:

If a child does not wash under the foreskin, the likely consequence is that it will smell. It's no different from a girl not washing down there. It may smell unpleasant but it's not a big deal.

(There may be stronger consequences if the foreskin cannot be retracted at all, there may be balanitis but this is not automatic, some males go into adult age with this condition and never have an infection.)

bobsie: "Not necessarily lower if you have the preferred "high" cut." Are there studies on this?

I have three boys with the same man. Oldest is circumcised which I was not on board with but I went with dad. When I had my second one I told him there was no way it was happening, and same with our youngest.

I was there for the procedure and honestly it wasn't bad, he didn't cry but in no way do I think it means it wasn't a big deal. I hate that I went along with it and just really hope he's fine as he gets older and doesn't hate me for it.

I find it mind boggling when people say ohhh it's a personal choice, no right or wrong. It is definitely a personal choice, one that shouldn't be made by parents and unless medical complications deem it necessary then I think it's very wrong that we still do this.