Molasses vs syrup

It's not possible to get real molasses in my area. Is it possible to substitute molasses with syrup in a MM enema?

If so, what would be the amount of syrup and milk, would it still be the same?

Corn Syrup would probably work almost as well. What you are after is the sugars. The colonic bacteria ferment the sugars releasing large volumes of carbon dioxide which is largely responsible for the effects of the M&M enema. The high sugar concentration also creates a large osmotic gradient across the bowel wall, sucking water to flow into the bowel lumen. My guess is that it really doesn't make much difference, so I'd try a standard 50-50 mix with corn syrup replacing the molasses.

I have never had an M&M but hear it is very intense and crampy!

Do a web search on the safety of molasses in enemas. The M&M enema was originally supposed to be a lower volume enema. I came across some info about safety issues with large amounts of molasses a couple of years ago. I think the same issues would apply to syrup also, I've used a cup of molasses and a cup of milk with good results, but with a lot of cramping, which was a little too much for me.

I would expect corn syrup (Karo Syrup) to be pretty good.

Yes, the M&M was originally designed to be a lower to moderate volume therapeutic enema, but what's the fun in that???

Cool, I will jump into it. It seems I have a day off next week- can't wait to do stupid things ?

Cool, I will jump into it. It seems I have a day off next week- can't wait to do stupid things ?

What you do should be stupid enough to be fun but not so stupid that you land in the ER.

It's not possible to get real molasses in my area. Is it possible to substitute molasses with syrup in a MM enema?

If so, what would be the amount of syrup and milk, would it still be the same?

If you can find treacle, it is closely similar to molasses. The proportions are not critical.

Looking forward to trying an M&M with corn syrup instead of molasses, probably in a quart or less given the reported intensity of the resulting cramps. I would imagine the corn syrup would be more fluid and easier to mix in. What is the purpose of the milk, and what grade milk should be used- whole, 2%, 1%?

From my experience baking, (yes, I know how to bake and cook) molasses and corn syrup, depending slightly on the brands, have the same viscosity and will mix in with equal ease.

In our house we have only whole milk which is 3-4% milk fat, so I can't say anything about skimmed, 1% or 2% milk fat varieties.

I used semi skimmed in the two times I've done M&M. I obviously have nothing to compare the control sample against but it did a bloody good job on me and I can't see that any increase in severity that might come with using a different type of milk would even be detectable given the level of intensity produced by M&M in the first case.

Enjoy yourself and be ready for some serious self loathing and regret once you've take it all in!

It it's just the sugar in molasses that makes the effect so violent, would just plain old sugar added in enema not have similar effect?

We canadians would favour maple syrup.

What about laculose per rectum, its very powerful from the top down.

I think the med drug guys really dont want a real enema in common use but maybe they need one themselves

What about those pages of milk enemas anyway???

I checked out the difference between molasses and corn syrup. The molasses has about twice the sugar content per table spoon as the corn syrup. I bought the corn syrup just to see what would happen and mixed it with 1% milk. I no sooner had the quart of the solution in when the i had a strong urge to go. I pumped up the retention nozzle a little more before heading for the toilet. I made it onto the toilet just in time before blowing out the retention nozzle (ouch) and solution! It did a total clean and the follow up 3 quart rinse enema ran clear. Even after the rinse I was feeling bloated and gassy for the rest of the evening, but didn't have any severe cramping. I never tried molasses before but based on the descriptions given the corn syrup is just as potent!

I doubt very much that the fat content of the milk makes any difference. I.E. skim milk (even powdered dry milk) and whole milk should produce near identical results. What counts is how much lactose (milk sugar) is in the product, because that is what ferments releasing the CO2 gas. By the same token Lactulose works quite well on its own. In fact it is given rectally sometimes in advanced liver disease (for regular use in enemas lactulose would be very expensive, at least if you live in the USA, where it also require a prescription). The Colonic bacteria break down the lactulose into 3 different short chain acids. Ammonia from the blood diffuses across the bowel wall into the bowel, and forms an insoluble precipitate with the short chain acids (most ammonia compounds are in fact insoluble), removing it from circulation (high ammonia levels are major problem in advanced liver disease). As a bonus it also shifts the pH in the colon toward acid, which tends to increase motility on its own.

Sorbitol and Mannitol rectally would also work about as well Molasses or Corn Syrup (Disposable enemas with sorbitol are available in some markets outside the USA). All of these work based on the same principles. The colonic bacteria ferment the sugar producing large volumes of CO2 gas, and also cause water to flow into the bowel lumen because of the osmotic gradient created by the sugars.

The result of my test with milk and syrup copied from another thread:

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Ok, I did it and lasted 7 minutes. It was more the expectation than the actually enema that made me move to the toilet. The aftermath was a bit nausea but again it was more the "what is going to happen" and "what will kick in".

I have been taking many other enemas that did make a hard time for me e.g. juice and baking soda which just explode inside of you. The M&M is more a sneaking one.

So, now I know and I will try again and move a bit more down the timeline goal at 20 minutes.

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I did go for an extra run. This time I did know what to expect, so I went to use my "Original german inflatable double balloon rectal enema tube" believing I was safe. The solution went in and then the restlessness slowly started to build up. I was sure to have a long ride but I have to admit that just after 7 minutes I started to leak.

Luckily I did it in the shower and therefore it wasn't a problem. I blended even more into my receiving position trying to hold it in. But after 12 minutes I had to give up. Not because I couldn't bare the cramps but I couldn't control my butt anymore and I simply exploded.

It is a heavy enema, but I don't see it as rough as for example a juice and baking soda enema. The cramps are somehow different and, at least for me, easier to handle.

Afterward I did a rinse with my 30" silicon nozzle and guess what, it just went all the way in without any trouble. Normally I do need to twist it a bit in the sigmoid area but this time it was just pure "going in". Next time I think I will use my single latex balloon since it can be inflated quite a bit more.

I will for sure give it another try.

Matheww50, your knowledge never cease to amaze me.

Another m&m substitute is pudding. Get the one with real sugar. Pick your favorite flavor. Mix it cold using the amount of milk listed on the packsge, usually 2 cups for a regular size package. That amount seems to work the best for me.

After it sets up a bit, I inject it high in my rectum. It will be slightly chilled and i can feel it flow up my colon. Then I relax and wait for the fun. I can retain for an hour or so. Then I loose control. For me, the retention action falls between glycerine suppositories and a m&m.

BTW, you can see an image of my injector in my gallery.

Honey or corn syrup can be substituted for molasses and I use whole milk. Six or eight ounces injected by bulb syringe will make you go in twenty to thirty minutes.

Having played around with the Mayo enema (which is a similar idea) I did notice that brown sugar (which some recipes specify) is more powerful than white sugar. Don't know why, maybe trace minerals and such kick the bacteria into high gear? It worked better even with brown sugar and white sugar mix.

Anyway, maybe mixing a bit of brown sugar in would kick it up?

Just concerned by Mattheww50’s response if we should be worried about contributing to global warming! ?

I've had a similar problem in the UK where molasses are available but not easily or at short notice. When I've done M&M enemas I've used black treacle as a substitute and it certainly had an effect in the range of those described by people doing M&M enemas with proper molasses.

I hated it at the time but I'm really horny at the moment (6 months of orgasm denial by my Mistress and locked in chastity) so an M&M sounds awesome right now. I know I'd live to regret it fairly quickly though!

Rubbermark - you need one of those strong soap and glycerin enemas that several people have had give them orgasms.

Definitely on my list of things to try when I have some time.

Just had my afternoon enema for being such a *****. Anyway, 128 oz of milk and molasses, but used maple syrup instead. .. equal parts mixed. Held for 15 minutes, turning side to side to belly. I had cramping, yes, but not nearly the magnitude that I’m seeing reported by a true milk and molasses enema. With the lack of discomfort (for my punishment purposes) I am required to research and decide on a harsh enema for this evening. Advice?

Scratch the previous answer from me! The cramps are now hitting home. As I post this I am in the intended state of discomfort. Definitely can report to you all that syrup does in fact provide the same results. It’s the sugar content that decides that factor. And yes, yes by god it’s being felt. 😢

Definitely can report to you all that syrup does in fact provide the same results. It’s the sugar content that decides that factor. And yes, yes by god it’s being felt. 😢

I’ve no experience of maple syrup, but I understand its sugar content is primarily sucrose (the same as cane sugar). I have tried sucrose in enemas and found it takes at least 30–45 minutes before fermentation gets under way and serious cramping begins. The effects of molasses (treacle) are a great deal quicker, with serious cramping starting in less than five minutes.

Incidentally, it’s quite unnecessary to use milk. Molasses (and, I suspect, maple syrup) is just as effective thinned down with water, and more convenient.

The effects of molasses (treacle) are a great deal quicker, with serious cramping starting in less than five minutes.

Yep. With Mayo enemas I found that brown sugar kicks ass a whole lot faster than white sugar.

Maple syrup is also significantly more expensive if you get the real stuff. The imitation stuff is primarily a mix of corn syrups.

That's very interesting!! I like to read about this topic.

I think anything with sugar in it will eventually give the same results. I think they use milk to get the bacteria growing faster. My layman's understanding is that the combination of milk and molasses makes the bacteria grow producing gas which breaks up the stool. If you just want a crampy enema there is nothing like E2Eddies tried and true formula of 4 ounces glycerin with 4 tablespoons of Epsom Salts in 1 quart. The goal is to hold for 5 minutes, few can make it.