Advice - Cleanstream vs ColonPro

Hello - Does anyone have any experience with Cleanstream and/or ColonPro bags? I'm looking for a larger, CLOSED top bag. I'm considering the 3.2 quart or the 4 quart, respectively. (I should have ordered one from Klystra before they closed.) Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you!

Try Optimum Health Center (Madison WI) and get their 5 quart Olympic Bag--closed top, red rubber.

Nothing says you have to fill it all the way or take the full bag.

I do not know why you want a closed top bag, but if you do not mind an open top one, you can do what I do. I fill mine (4qt) to the top and keep a bucket with water in it on the floor of the shower. After the bag has emptied a quart or two, I am able to get up off of the floor safely and top off the bag. Then I can lie back down and take in the rest without worrying about having to get up and refill the bag with the danger that I will leak or loose a bunch of the water that I have already put in.

If you use two bags, closed or open, with a y-connector between them, you can fill yourself to the amount that is the total volume of both of them.

Hope this helps.

hankb

Closed top bags are great for taking and then letting the enema flow back into the bag. Works best for second or third filling after solid waste is gone. Can tell in this way how much water has been retained and how much expelled.

I'm not fond of letting the enema flow back into the bag. Our bags are not disposable like when barium enemas are done, so our bags must be cleaned and disinfected, which is damn near impossible to do with a closed top bag.

I guess I will pile on with regard to closed top bags.

I had one and really did not see any advantage over an open top bag. I found the closed top to be much more cumbersome because you had to unscrew the plug to refill it. Open tops can be hung and filled over and over without having to touch the bag- sooo much easier. And there are lots of choices in open tops on many sites from latex to silicon and many different volume sizes.

If you want a closed top bag for reasons not related to convenience then you should get a closed top, but you can't beat an open top bag for ease of use.

There are two advantages of a closed top bag:

1--it is hard to spill the solution

2--the pressure stays the same from the start to finish of the enema because the bag doesn't fill with air so the effective water height stays the same start to finish.

NEITHER of these would make me give up my open top bags.

Susie-- your reason number 2 is contrary to physics. The reason for the pressure at the nozzle end is the static head of the liquid. Atmospheric pressure has nothing to do with the ambient pressure which is practically the same as at the nozzle because there is not that much difference in atmospheric pressure for a 3' difference of elevation.

A closed bag is surrounded by air at atmospheric pressure which is pressing on the bag and compressing it, which is why, as the water runs out, the bag collapses.

hankb

It isn't the atmospheric pressure, it is the fact that the bag flattens and as it flattens the water column, however thin, still extends to the top of the bag. The pressure is still determined by column height.

The difference in column height, which is a foot inside the Klystra bag from full to almost empty causes a pressure drop from start to end of the enema delivery with open top bags. In the closed top bag, which you can see in a clear bag, stays in albeit thin layer to the top of the bag from start to finish because no air enters the bag and it collapses as the bag empties. I don't dispute your reason for the reason the ambient atmospheric pressure causes the closed top bag to collapse, but there is still some water in the "collapsed" portion to the top of the bag when it empties.

The difference in column height, which is a foot inside the Klystra bag from full to almost empty causes a pressure drop from start to end of the enema delivery with open top bags.

How great a pressure drop are we talking here? Is it significant, or hardly noticeable?

I ask because I am used to a closed combo bag. Wondering if the different sensations of of the pressure drop will be a meaningful consideration as I lean toward the purchase of an open top bag.

With a one foot difference in the Klystra bag from full to almost empty, we are talking about 0.43 psi.

It's a one foot difference in column height.

It's not a big difference, but it's there.

I've seen these on different sites, but the hanger tabs don't look as strong and sturdy as the ones on klystra bags.

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Closed top vs. open top? If you were taking an enema blind folded I doubt you could tell the difference in what your enema felt like. I have done both and the enema sensation to me seems the same. At the end of the day or enema session, that is what matters- they both feel basically the same.

Choose which one you want for whatever reason.

Time to start enjoying your enemas.

Prov-- You got that right.

hankb

I wouldn't consider the pressure drop meaningful. The bags are flexible and collapse as the water is removed, so any additional pressure/column height would likely be marginal - remember water is trying to flow to the lowest possible point at any time. The closed top might give the bag a bit more "stiffness", but I don't think you're going to have more than an inch or so effective additional water column height (you may have more if you measure it, but getting that water out would require more energy than the water has- otherwise it would already have moved down). If you want to know for sure get two similar designed bags and put a pressure gauge on them, but it isn't worth it to me right now.

Any additional pressure from a closed-top bag would be due to additional "squeezing" caused by the added support of the closed top, which would be marginal, or additional column height caused by a narrower reservoir (based on design). If you have the bag hung 2-3 feet above the anus you're going to get your enema in either case, and if you're really concerned you can raise it another few inches.

I have an open-top silicone bag. Upsides: dries well, easy to clean. Downsides: I've had a couple of unexpected showers, especially while I was learning how to use the thing.

What fun you can have when you over fill your closed top and it explodes or the hose coupling dislodges! Any enema bag should have a check valve in the line to prevent reverse flow. If reverse flow is what is desired, I might suggest a colonic irrigation instead of a regular enema. Without a check valve to prevent reverse flow, a closed top bag can be almost impossible to keep sanitary and an open top takes most of the day. An open top jug-bag is much better, since if it becomes loaded with waste material you can dispose of it and easily fabricate a new one in few minutes at minimal expense. Even with a jugbag, the use of a check valve is nearly imperative. See my avitar! As stated elsewhere, keep your flow rate slow and enjoy it because it's an enema not a race.

Above all, remember that an enema a day keeps the doctor away.