A question of possibilities...

I have seen several posts saying it is impossible to train yourself to become incontinent. I am a little confused.

If one takes the time and effort to retrain so that one wets and or messes without concious control and the muscles atrophy so that even if they can exert any control it is like trying to lift 100 lbs with 5 pounds of pressure, how is that so much different? It not like they can just one day decided to stop wearing the diaper and instantly go back to full control, if they ever can regain full control. True they may be able to retrain themselves over time and then again maybe they cant. But for a time at least they are just as dependent on diapers as someone with medical incontinence.

Because training yourself to let go is not incontinence truly . its more like weakening your bladder to let go easily. yes there is urge inco but even then the bladder lets go without controll you just realize it right before it happens is all. so once again its impossible to be inco by trying to be your just training yourself to let go without thinking, very easily. Diapers feel great on and i love the feel of em, i hate the fact i dont have the controll to not use em when inapropiate to do so. there are times when i cant think of anything butt diapers wrapped around me and there there are times when i curse em to hell. love the wya they feel on wet messy whatever. hate inco for the lack of choice though

After large periods of time the muscles around the bladder and sphincter degrade if unused, therefore it is impossible to become fully incontinent but is possible to get to the point where you will have periods of time where you can't control your bladder or bowels and will have 'accidents'.

I have been wearing diapers a long time ( yrs ) and i have gotten to the point of sudden urges and i mean sudden where i have to go NOW ! i have on occasion wet my pants in public .. i have gotten so used to wearing and wetting and letting go of the use ,of my control by just relaxing all the time .. i tend to just pee a small amt. i try never to hold it in .. after a while it does become natuaral to just have to go ... but on the otehre hand i can get back control if i try ....

I am wearing diapers for more then 20 years, I also get urges I feel I have to go!. since I wear a diaper all day, I never wet my pants in public.

I just let go and pee.

If your goal is to become dependent on diapers. than you can. be careful, its mostly a one way street. the bladder doesn't atrophy as badly. but I have read from a lot of AB's that have gone all the way dependent, only to find they have to fight for years if ever. 24/7 is for those that really love diapers. and are willing to except all of the down sides and limitations it comes with.

You can't become incontinent by trianing. You can become diaper dependent with effort. It takes time but you can gradually learn to relax so that you urinate without thinking. The real test of this is when you urinate at night without waking up. Keep at it. After a while you will be doing it every night. The same with pooping in your diapers. You have to unlearn old habits so that you defecate when your body tells you.

I know the discussion is old. Anyhow I find the discussion very interesting!

The ongoing question not only here but a lot of places, is.

Can you make yourself incontinent, by training (here training means, by not exercising control of your bladder).

But one question which is not answered, is, what is incontinence and how does not materialize?

For some incontinence is where you only feel you are getting wet, while for others it's a strong and sudden urge to relieve yourself, an urge one cannot fight, but have to release their bladder in their pants.

Others again, resembles the strong urge, but for them it's the very uncomfortable feeling of having something in their bladder, but they do if they really try hard, have some muscle strength, although their sweating heavily when trying to hold back.. are they incontinent?

I fit into the last category myself, after 5 years of diaper training and not holding back to any urges. Am I incontinent, or just conditioned to diapers?

I often have the urge to empty my bladder but no longer have the muscle power to "hold it back" which means I cannot go without protection under any circumstances, also it seems like the muscle weakness also affects my bowel and it is something I also have to ge very aware of, that is yet another reason why protection is necessary.

Over the years those muscles have atrophied and no matter how much excercise I give them the muscle tone will not come back at all ?

But one question which is not answered, is, what is incontinence and how does not materialize?

For some incontinence is where you only feel you are getting wet, while for others it's a strong and sudden urge to relieve yourself, an urge one cannot fight, but have to release their bladder in their pants.

Others again, resembles the strong urge, but for them it's the very uncomfortable feeling of having something in their bladder, but they do if they really try hard, have some muscle strength, although their sweating heavily when trying to hold back.. are they incontinent?

I fit into the last category myself, after 5 years of diaper training and not holding back to any urges. Am I incontinent, or just conditioned to diapers?

Could you go out in normal underwear and manage not to wet your pants? If not, then you're incontinent, whether or not that's due to physical weakening or mental conditioning.

When I fractured my pelvis in an accident, I also burst my bladder. To prevent blood clots when it was healing, I was on a continuous flush (in through IV, out through catheter). Was like that for a few weeks in the hospital and after that, still had the catheter (super-pubic i.e. hole in my belly where the tube went in). What NO ONE told me is that, in those couple of months, my bladder muscles would get weak. So here I think I'm all good to go when the catheter is removed...nope! It took about 2 seconds of realizing I had to pee before I was. I didn't have the muscles to hold it any longer than that. With time that got better, although if I'm standing or moving, and know I have to 'go' - I also know I don't have much time to get somewhere LOL! So could you 'untrain'? You'd have to do something to get those muscles to weaken and be useless.

Whilst I have been trying to retain my continence my muscles have noticeably got much weaker over time as I now cannot "clench" my muscles to keep anything in and wearing a catheter during a hospital stay has weakened the muscles even further.

The same also applies to number 2.

Advanced age only has one advantage and that is wisdom, everything else just gets weaker and weaker until it leaks ?