Selling the concept

If you had to sell the benefits of the enema as a treatment for constipation (as opposed to the pleasures), what would you say? Pro's - guaranteed result, predictability and controllability. Cons - not as easy as popping a pill, special equipment needed, privacy required, time consuming, seen as slightly deviant or distasteful, not as easy for self administration. Does this help explain why the so called 'golden age' is passing?

Delia,

About 2-3 years ago I would have made all the CON arguments you listed and then some. Today, I would make all the PRO arguments. My experience with oral laxatives was once rather positive although the results were erratic. I think my aversion to an enema was mostly mental. One bad bout of constipation forced me to go to the bag and it was so much more effective that I changed my opinion. The other benefit was that I actually found the erotic feeling and now enjoy enemas about twice a month. - vicki

I know that a lot of women experience constipation related to their periods. Some laxatives seem to be marketed specifically to women. Really, I don't know who would want to pop a pill which has to travel through the entire system and can bring on cramping when they could just inject a little water and be done with it. It would be tough to sell the concept of taking an enema over a laxative, mainly because many people associate anything going "up the ass" with something painful when it isn't painful at all. Despite this, do many modern women still take enemas for constipation problems?

Giving yourself an enema for menstrual cramps was good. when I lived in Germany an old German nurse suggested it. And it helped me a lot. Which reminds me and I guess I can start a new topic with this. When I went to a German GYN doctor for an exam it was lot different then going to a doc here in the states. I wonder how many here have ex-perinced that?

Nicole....I have also noticed that a nice, warm enema will help my menstrual cramps tremendously!!! 😉

Nicole - could you explain how going to the doc in germany is different than here?

First in Germany they don't give you anything to cover up with. You are sitting there naked when the Doctor comes in. There isn't a nurse present either. When you get examined you are sitting straight up in a chair high up above the doctor. The doctor sits on a stool between your legs and looks inside you with an instrument. You can look down and see the top of his head while he is doing the examining. It felt more comfortable than the usual way in the US. I couldn't feel the the instrument going in.

I remember doing something that till this day i don't know why i did it. I brought my hand down and touched the slight bald spot on his head. He laughed and said that no other patient had ever done that before. At first I apologised for my forwardness than replied, "I guess we Americans are different. He laughed. This German doctor was in his late 50's and went to school in America. He was a nice looking man with gray hairs. He had a very gentle manner about him and i liked him very much. i went back again to him two more times before coming back to the states. I was so impressed with the way it was done. It felt less invasive.

I have had the wonderful experience of giving my beautiful wife of 32 years a couple of enemas on 3 different occasions because she was constipated and I talked her into it for relief. Those occasions were strictly clinical. Whe we have love she does allow some anal play including analingus and insertion of a vibrator in her anus which she seems to enjoy.

I would love to try to bring her to orgasm during an enema through oral sex. Do I suprise her during her next enema or do I discuss this with her prior to her next enema?

To tjaj

It seems that you have her in the right place (pun) but you have already set the stage for the enema all you need is to be a loving patient lover asking for your wife to join in where she already has the anal desire. Be gentile but persuasive, and go for it. Women just like men sometimes need a little encouragement, to make the next step.

Delia,

The thing is in this day & age selling such a concept would not be that easy for obvious reasons....overcoming resistance by authoritarian establishments for one & bureaucratic reluctance / ambivalence another....aside from the other aspects you mention.

We've moved forward technically which is a good thing in many respects...not so much in other areas.. even though we'd like to think it were possible to resurrect a remedy that is simplicity in itself & works remarkably well....I'd more than likely approach this from an anti orally ingested laxative /drug perspective...then there's prescription medicines that some genuinely require in maintaining health but due to their composition have binding characteristics...ease of alleviating stomach upset efficiently in a given time frame an obvious plus too

You'll be back on your feet in 2-3 hours, rather than having to be down for 6-8 with an oral laxative.

I have taken laxatives on few occasions when I was constipated due to a medication that I was taking at the time. They did work marginally well but you have to experiment with them. I took one pill as directed on the package before going to bed and was able to go the next morning, but needed more relief. So the next night I took two pills and did get a better result the next morning.

This scenario sounds a bit frustrating and drawn out (2 days) not to mention potential drug side effects which I fortunately did not have. An enema session that can be done in less than an hour and will provide the same or better result and no real risk of a drug side effect.

Which one would you choose?

I think the answer is obvious- the enema session!

Around my house enemas are looked on about like a root canal. I've talked my wife into one or two over the years for severe constipation. I thought she might need one after surgery recently but Miralax has done a great job of keeping her at arms length from the nozzle. I haven't given her one in 20 years. So sad!

If we got every parent to go back to the bag the golden age would be a relit torch passed to a new generation. Honestly the European medical establishment could teach American doctors a few things about enemas.

Just look at Peristeen from Coloplast, its a high cost tap water enema that America hasn't caught onto. The disposable single use ball on nozzle costs like 300 bucks a year not covered by insurance, everyone who i know who can afford them love them , works great for the SCI and bowel incontinent in Europe, they teach incontinent folks to do a small tap water enema in the morning after breakfast, it empties the colon & no surprise diaper filling in most people . Simple concept actually, makes too much sense for American doctors .

I remember several years ago my wife was in the hospital to undergo a hysterectomy. Prior to taking the wife back to surgery, a nurse came into the room and gave the wife a Fleet disposable enema. When I got the hospital bill, I noticed that one little enema cost over $50.00! And that was over ten years ago. I wonder what the little bitty enema would cost today? Goodness Sakes! The doctors and pharmacy companies are making a killing! Not just for disposable enemas, but also for all those laxatives that they are manufacturing and selling each day! Just give me my enema bag like my Mother used to use and we will be fine and have a few more dollars in our wallets and purses!

You're putting too much of a conspiracy theory on it.

The pharmaceutical companies by and large aren't making lots of money off of laxatives, except for a very few ones still under patent for IBS and similar. The other ones are out of patent and don't make a huge amount.

Doctors and nurses make passable salaries, but put against their investment and hours it isn't outrageous. The groups who are making the money hand over fist are the medical business groups who run hospitals and the insurers.

Some reasons enemas are not recommended more for the things that they help with are a general perception that they are strongly disliked by patients, that they can be dangerous (in the hands of idiots yes, and in America at least there are plenty of idiots running around), and a reaction to quack claims that they can do more than they really can.

I think for people born after about 1970, "enema" means a Fleet or the store brand equivalent. I think many people today would rather take a pill or something other than an enema, but if they do go for the enema it is most likely the Fleet types. After all, squirt it in and in a few minutes you will shit. No bags and hoses to contend with and much quicker than laying there while a "real" enema fills you. That is why hospitals almost always use a Fleet instead of a bag or can. It is quicker, therefore does not tie up the nurses for a long time like an enema used to. It is the labor costs and hospital overhead why you pay $50 or more for a Fleet enema, not the cost of the little bottle itself.

Of course, those of us who grew up in an earlier time recognize that sometimes there are other fringe benefits to the old-fashioned enema. Sometimes making you shit is just the side effect, not the main point. Sometimes that is where the real sell job comes in. Convincing someone to let you give them an enema when they are not constipated.

For constipation? Well, since the arrival of anal sex (always practiced in the past, never discussed) and coffee enemas into public forums such as YouTube, small enemas for cleansing the rectum only have advanced dramatically in popularity, so (only for constipation, now),

I would say it's a cleansing, takes just a few moment, and it solves all your constipation problems in 5 minutes or less, with no mess.

That's the analytical "me" speaking. If I go with common sense, I would probably have my female friend (that's who I'd be giving to) watch a couple of videos by women touting the benefits of bag style enemas. There are several.

Here are a couple links:

https://youtu.be/4jKj2ps_J1k

https://youtu.be/ja4jBfE5_ho

The idea that other young, pretty women do them won't hurt, and they get the pro's from a female who uses them. Recommend you search YouTube & find the best ones for your situation. There are MANY.

Of course, if you're a Dom like me, then: it's "Time for your enema, honey!" Or "I'm going to give you an enema now! Get undressed!" And then have her fill the bag. (OR have her watch while you do it.) then administer it to her (them).

@mlker simple cheap inexpensive items in a hospital become cash cows ,enemas and diapers are popular cows ,they buy both in bulk they pay about 22 vents for a diaper, yet charge $12 ,> had one hospital stay that i needed enough diapers i could have gone on vacation for 3 months ,and worn the very best diapers made . People dont in many cases think or care if insurance company is paying ,but thats how we got here ,its a big part of the problem,and is the reason that people have to pull a trump and fo banjrupt due to a non covered hospital or doctors bill.

Your right about costs! The almighty $$$ is what is important! The bottom line. Someone said "Big Pharma" is not making a killing with the sells of Fleet enemas or whatever they are called in stores like Wal Mart, etc. and laxatives. Those items are advertised big time on all major networks, magazines, newspapers, internet, etc. A $Billion + industry and believe me they aren't about to give that up! My enemas at home cost pennies per bag full and everyone of them does exactly what they are supposed to do. Goodness sakes! Are we that dumb?

Someone said "Big Pharma" is not making a killing with the sells of Fleet enemas or whatever they are called in stores like Wal Mart, etc. and laxatives. Those items are advertised big time on all major networks, magazines, newspapers, internet, etc. A $Billion + industry and believe me they aren't about to give that up!

They're making some, and yeah - Fleet is doing OK, but pull out an annual report and most pharma companies won't even bother to mention laxatives because they're making MUCH more from the other stuff.

Sure, they do direct-to-user ads, but check with the med professionals on here and there is pretty much zero marketing to doctors. Yes, marketing to doctors has changed and is more regulated, but it is still here for stuff that makes the real $$$.

Lots of speculation that "big pharma" is making a killing on laxative products thus being one of the reasons medical prescribed enema use has drastically declined. Due to a more sedentary lifestyle, increased consumption of junk food, obesity and an aging population they expect growth in both laxatives and enema based products through 2029. Various market analysis have differing results on the laxative and enema based product markets – but seem to be relatively close in their predictions.

Data Bridge Market Research analyses shows that the laxative market was valued at USD $7 Billion in 2021 and is expected to reach USD $11.5 Billion by 2029, CAGR of 6.30%. Whereas the enema based product market at USD $1.3 Billion in 2022 is expected to reach USD $2.9 Billion by 2030 - a 11.4% CAGR during the nearly same time period (World Health Organization)

NOTE: Couldn’t find anything to clarify which group (laxatives or enema based products) Fleet enemas and saline laxatives fall into – only that they account for approx. $0.4 Billion in 2022.

According to Statista, the global pharmaceutical industry had an annual revenue of $1.42 trillion in 2021. So laxatives today are roughly less than 0.5% of the overall big pharma revenue. In my opinion, that’s not enough market share to drive them one way or the other – they have bigger fish to fry.

When a woman discovers that cleansing her colon is good for her physical and mental health — and it also feels warm and sensuous down there — there’s a good chance that she has an emotional “feminine” connection with her enema bag to relieve occasional intestinal upsets and bloating. Go easy about just quoting facts about the “gut health” benefits of an enema, women are also swayed more by emotions and feelings.

If you had to sell the benefits of the enema as a treatment for constipation (as opposed to the pleasures), what would you say?

Enemas can do the job well. With some lasting effects, depending on what fluid is used. So you want to stick close to a toilet for an hour. Just in case.

Enemas will clean a constipated person out a bit. Possibly getting things started for them.

I think my first effort (besides the use of commands like, "it's time for your enema") would be to direct the sufferer/potential patient (victim?) To the r/constipation subreddit on Reddit, and have them read how "effective" the current treatments are. The pain and suffering these poor people describe is certainly far worse than a decent sized soapsuds enema. I mean, as in really bad. I've never given an enema that didn't result in a good bowel movement, even if there was nothing I could feel when I examined her. I'm sure nurses and colonic therapists on here might be able to correct me, but I'm just as sure that if I made a random selection of redditors who post on r/constipation, that they would "come in full and leave empty..." It's not that hard--I've never seen 2qts. Of soapsuds or warm water fail to produce a good result, but I find that people sometimes fear the process so much that telling them "this will make you better" doesn't work, and that's when commands become necessary.