P. I. E. Pulsed Irrigation Evacuation

I have a P*I*E machine and it is something of a disappointment. If you expect to really have a surging feeling during a session, you will be disappointed. The surge volume is only a few ml, far less than with a Higgenson or even a Coloclean, when the outlet hose is crimped.

It is a complex machine to set up. You have to assemble the trolley, connect up the hoses, plug in the battery pack (hopefully you charged it), put in an empty poo bag. Then you can lie down and lube and insert the speculum.

On the plus side, the speculum is somewhat soft with a balloon and two side eyes, but no end eye. This means it can be inserted without an obturator and you can connect the hoses before insertion. The side eyes mean that if you are full of poo, the speculum is far less likely to clog. Given that a preliminary enema is not needed, but can be done, to avoid a plugged speculum and huge, stinky flood.

The balloon, when inflated, keeps the speculum in well, and you can relax completely and let the machine run.

You have a choice of modes: Pulsed fill; pulsing; release. The controller is dumb. When you are pulsed filling, you can pause and just pulse, but then it dumps the water. You cannot continue to fill.

When you are done, you have to deal with a few gallons of stinky water.

The supplies are expensive, about $100 per poo, but can be re-used. I bought a used one and have used it a number of times.

All in, it's a fun toy to try. I doubt it's anything like as effective as touted in relieving severe constipation. At least that's my feelings.

If you would like to try something like this, go to a colon hydrotheripist that uses a closed system or buy a Coloclean on the web.

Sean said

The side eyes mean that if you are full of poo, the speculum is far less likely to clog.

I agree. No obturator is needed and the lack of clogging is why I like the top speculum in the picture when I go for a colonic.

https://www.primepacifichealth.com/colon-hydrotherapy-speculums/

An added benefit of the top speculum in the photo is that if a large chunk of feces is trying to come out, the point on this speculum will tend to break it into smaller pieces so it can come through the speculum and tubing.

If you expect to really have a surging feeling during a session, you will be disappointed. The surge volume is only a few ml, far less than with a Higgenson or even a Coloclean, when the outlet hose is crimped.

My understanding is the controller and pump support four flow rates from 25 CC to 100 CC per second if I remember right. Seems to me like that would be fast enough, though this is subjective.

plug in the battery pack (hopefully you charged it),

Their products page says they sell a direct power supply. If that's right, then no need to worry about charging the battery. This assumes it is being used close enough to a power outlet of course.

When you are pulsed filling, you can pause and just pulse, but then it dumps the water. You cannot continue to fill.

My understanding is they meant that pulsed hold function to be used to break up a mass of poop that doesn't want to evacuate. In that context this makes sense.

When you are done, you have to deal with a few gallons of stinky water.

I remember reading a post on another site a few years ago by someone who claimed he was able to setup a 25 foot hose running from the output to his toilet. He also claimed the outflow is high enough that the toilet doesn't need to be flushed. I've wondered if that's actually possible. I note also that they seem to sell hoses that would hook up directly to plumbing, like that in a colonic clinic with a closed system. I wonder if those could be used to drain to the toilet, provided the place to lay on, and the machine could be brought close enough to the toilet for that to work.

The supplies are expensive, about $100 per poo, but can be re-used.

Do you reuse the output hoses and bag too? That must take a heck of a lot of cleaning if you do.

If you would like to try something like this, go to a colon hydrotheripist that uses a closed system or buy a Coloclean on the web.

At about $100 per poop, it sounds like what the hydrotherapists charge more or less. With this, there is no where to go, and no appointments to make, just set it up. Seems to me like this, and a hydrotherapist work out to about the same thing when all is said and done. Thanks for sharing your observations.

I really miss my Toxygen model B colon hydrotherapy system..

I really miss my Toxygen model B colon hydrotherapy system..

@docinny45 You've just prompted a question. I don't know how long ago you've had your colon hydrotherapy system, but can you or someone else speak to the cost of the supplies, which I assume is just tubing for inflow and output? I'm wondering both how that compares to the stated $100 per poop from the PIE people, as well as how much of what hydrotherapists charge goes for supplies, and how much is income in their pocket?

The colonic speculum and associated tubing is about $10 per kit.

The rest goes to the, and I use the term loosely, "therapist" who still needs to pay rent, hot water utilities, laundry for gowns and sheets, chux pads, electricity, taxes, business licenses, etc.

There is no reason for the PIE people to charge $100 for their tubing kit.

I really miss my Toxygen model B colon hydrotherapy system..

You dirty old man, what did you do with it?

Thanks @SwitchableSusie. Yes, I do realize the clinics cost money to run, and didn't mean to imply otherwise.

There is no reason for the PIE people to charge $100 for their tubing kit.

Yes, there is. They have no competition as far as I know in this niche, which means they can get the insurance companies to pay what they want for their durable equipment. From their point of view, they have two reasons right there.

Responding to a prior post on the P*I*E machine:

Flow rate - My comment was referring to the volume of the pulse, not the average flow rate. ly

The flow rate depends on the pump speed and that can be selected.

The tidal volume is determined by the inflow valve assembly and is constant at a few ml per pulse. A Higgenson pulse is 60 to 90 ml... much larger and stronger feeling. A disappointment, IMO

AC Power Pack - I would not go there for electrical safety issues.

Pulsed Hold - That is their theory, but if the pulsing breaks up some poo, the option of adding more water seams reasonable. It's a design choice. Also thye software has to be FDA certifies, think $$$$$$$, so adding options is expensive.

Waste Issues - The idea of dumping to a drain is quite reasonable. In fact, I also have a older Dotolo BSC-UV closed system colonic machine, plumbed in. Instead of hooking the P*I*E hose to a poo bag, I just hook it directly to the Dotolo. A perfect fit.... and you can see the outflow, if that's your thing.

Reuse - Yes, but as described above I don't even use a poo bag. The supply bag is clean after the session. The hoses and speculum can easily be washed and given an hour Chlorox soak then dried. They can be re-used at least 10 times. BTW, the same applies to the Coloclean setup, which I now prefer.

P*I*E v. Therapist - The end results are pretty much the same. You get cleaned of poo. nIt really comes down to which PROCESS you prefer. Either option is going to take 2-3 hours, start to finish, including travel time or setup/cleanup. About the only real difference I can think of is you can masturbate if you are alone on the P*I*E. I'd not want to go to a therapist that was good with that. YMMV.

WARNING, WARNING, WARNING

The MyBowl.com site is either a fraud or has been hijacked.

It is an Islamic propaganda site site (at least) now.

They stopped renewing the mybowel domain several years ago. I guess someone else bought it. They seem to be at piemed.com these days.

You dirty old man, what did you do with it?

When I left for medical school I loaned it to a friend who was a massage therapist in Vermont, as she wanted to offer colonics as part of her practice. Long story short, I lost touch with her and never got it back.

Personally, I'd not bother with P*I*E portable stuff.

Go to Medtech3000.de or eBay and look for the ColoClean device. They are under $100 and can be reused after cleaning many times.

It is a bit more difficult to use solo, but only a little. Furthermore, if you clamp the outflow hose about 8" from the speculum you can get a far more powerful surge than with the P*I*E

ColoClean can be sourced direct from mfg in the UK & their agent here

@longtoy

the mybowel now re-directs to a political site

Re: our older questions:

Yes the ‘pulsed’ mode is meant to break up hard poo, but, in truth, it does almost nothing. The tidal volume is way too small. It is really no better than just holding enema water.

Yes, I reuse all the parts… speculum, hoses, and poo bag. After a session, I fill them all with some warm water and a bit of dish deterrent and let them sit for 15 minutes. Then a general swish, and another 15 minute soak. Then a drain, flush with clear water. Then repeat with a Clorox solution, then dry. I would not share a bag and hose with another person, but for personal reuse, IMO it's fine.

As to plumbing the poo hose into a toilet, I see no reason why it could not work fine. Generally the treatment recipient is lying on a bed or massage table, above toilet level and poo flows downhill. With a long hose, it may be wise to add a vacuum breaker fairly close to the speculum to prevent the outflow sucking water out of the patient.

I agree. No obturator is needed and the lack of clogging is why I like the top speculum in the picture when I go for a colonic.

https://www.primepacifichealth.com/colon-hydrotherapy-speculums/

An added benefit of the top speculum in the photo is that if a large chunk of feces is trying to come out, the point on this speculum will tend to break it into smaller pieces so it can come through the speculum and tubing.

Archived link to the page: https://web.archive.org/web/20190626101220/https://www.primepacifichealth.com/colon-hydrotherapy-speculums/

and directly the image: https://web.archive.org/web/20190909135903im_/https://www.primepacifichealth.com/wp-content/uploads/5-types.png

also useful: https://web.archive.org/web/20190626101220im_/https://www.primepacifichealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/SPECULUM-SELECTION-GUIDE-2.png

(their current page is significantly less informative: https://www.primepacifichealth.com/speculum-kits/)

@Sean do you connect your coloclean to the Dotolo as well?

@That_Australian by mfg in the UK do you mean the manufacturer?