Fecal Enema Transplants

I FOUND THIS ON THE WEB,,,SOMEONE ASKED THE OTHER DAY ABOUT USING THEIR MATES FOR ENEMAS WELL HERE YOU GO: BELIEVE IT OR NOT

Fecal Transplant Normalizes Bacterial Health

Call it fecal transplant, fecal transfusion or human probiotic infusion - we're talking poop. A bona fide medical procedure, the idea of undergoing a fecal transplant most likely has not entered your thought process until after watching Grey's Anatomy.

Pooh-poohed in Entertainment Weekly alongside the cast's liaisons with the dearly departed, it bears mentioning that fecal transplants are actually for real.

Fecal Bacteriotherapy Used To Cure Patients With Clostridium difficile

A bacterium infecting the colon, C. difficile eradicates the healthy bacterial flora that exists in the human gut and sets itself up instead. Symptoms of this switch are bouts of severe abdominal pain, constipation, bloating, and all the other gastrointestinal symptoms you don't want to read about over midmorning breakfast.

Considered by some a sensationalized killer bug and a real threat by others, Clostridium difficile is literally found everywhere and it is deadly. Fecal bacteriotherapy - the fecal transplant - is controversial but it yields results. CBC News Canada explained more than a year ago that in Scandinavia fecal transfusions have become the healthcare standard when dealing with these bacteria.

At the center of the human probiotic infusion is a stool sample from a healthy individual which will be liquefied and transplanted via enema into the suffering patient. Quoting Dr. Tom Louie from Calgary, the procedure is summed up rather simply: "It takes me about an hour and I leave it in there overnight. I'm hoping that some of these normal bugs will find a home, and when they find a home it will kick out the C. difficile."

Dont think I'll ever try that one.

Yes, this is a bona fide procedure. It is used to repopulate the colon with a normal distribution of bacteria. By far, the most common need for this is caused by treatment with certain antibiotics. It is not correct that the Clostridium kills the other intestinal bacteria, it's that the Clostridium, often present in small amounts, is often what remains, and then it overgrows, (in kind of a similar fashion to yeast overgrowing in the vagina after antibiotic treatment) causing severe and sometimes life threatening diarrhea and pseudomembranous colitis. The antibitotic most often associated with this is clindamycin.

The donor is usually the spouse or family member in the household.

Well you learn something every day. Hope I never need the procedure.

I remember reading that the best culture sources come from the fecal matter of infants that have only been breast fed.

This procedure is used clinically and as a home remedy for repopulation of desirable gut flora for a number of maladies.

Yes, this is a valid procedure, but it's not done with a bag of feces. A bulb of the "good" stuff is injected into the ailing patient and it starts growing from that point on to balance out the gut flora.

Fecal transplants are starting to get a lot of attention, some justified and some quackery.

Latest I have been hearing about are auto-immune diseases like krohn's and psoriasis. Be interesting to know the validity since I have friends with severe cases of both ailments.

There have also been reports of using intestinal parasites to treat auto-immune diseases.

Http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/01/excrement-experiment

It is absolutely AMAZING what and the people on this cite come up with, and where they get their information. This place is a compendium of knowledge. I feel very stupid and very honored to be privy to such a wealth of knowledge. Keep it up folks. Who would of thought of recycling poop?

Although I read the New Yorker article with interest I'm not sure I believe it. I would be interested if real GI research can vet it. Fecal transplant is well known to be effective in C. Diff infections. There may be some benefit in other conditions but I don't think it is known now. C. Diff is a localized overgrowth of bacteria in the colon. Crohns and ulcerative colitis are systemic illness. As far as I know the exact cause is not known. I like the New Yorker too but one shouldn't believe everything you read. We'll see. You never know where you're going to find good shit.

Yes, shit happens

Butt did you know it is thought to cause weight gain?

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31168511

Update for one-eyes. Sense of humour required!

Butt did you know it is thought to cause weight gain?

See http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31168511

As a generalisation, that is surely misleading. It is based on one case, where a woman was given a fecal transplant from her daughter, who was herself overweight and gaining weight. That says nothing about the procedure in general.

Have a FaceBook friend who regularly researches and posts information on this. Fecal transplants are real and are used in medicine. However, yes, if an obese person gets a transplant from a thin person the new microbes may aid the obese person to become thin. Conversely, if a thin person gets a fecal transplant from an obese person, the thin person may become obese.

The background here is that our human bodies contain about 10 trillion cells, but perhaps include 100 trillion symbiotic microbial cells. The microbes have nothing to do with your human DNA but may define who you are.

Here is a TED Talk on the subject (if you look around TED Talks you will find others.):

Rob Knight: How our microbes make us who we are

TED Talks

http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_knight_how_our_microbes_make_us_who_we_are

Be Excellent to You Gut Microbes and They will be Excellent to You!

What the fuck is wrong with people. Just saw this article on BuzzFeed.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhisubbaraman/inside-tampa-fecal-transplant-clinic?utm_term=.uk2Ey7LWg#.kg6XwBEdN

looks weird to me. But they say it's science.

Is it even safe

some link I googled

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_microbiota_transplant

IndianMaster5 said

What the fuck is wrong with people. Just saw this article on BuzzFeed.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/nidhisubbaraman/inside-tampa-fecal-transplant-clinic?utm_term=.uk2Ey7LWg#.kg6XwBEdN

looks weird to me. But they say it's science.

Is it even safe

some link I googled

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_microbiota_transplant

You should do some research before you bash accepted and effective therapies.

You should read this thread.

I've heard of this being used for people with intestinal issues, like chrons disease or ulcerative colitis. The idea is their 'flora' for whatever reason is inadequate or just bad. High enemas can wash out some of that, so we all should be somewhat careful.

My wife had a bad case of C. Diff 15 years ago caused be antibiotics for a septic infection killing off all the intestinal flora. C. Diff came back and took the high ground. They treated her with vancomycin - but it came back three times. Nasty stuff. I immediately thought this topic might be applicable as a treatment - I had no idea that it's been around a while.

"As of 2013, fecal transplantation is currently not routinely performed for indications other than recurrent C. difficile colitis. More research studies are still needed to determine if fecal transplantation should be performed for other clinical indications. Fecal transplantation for other clinical indications should be considered experimental, and performed only as part of a research study where your safety is closely monitored."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/c-difficile/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20351697

There was an interesting article in our small hometown newspaper about fecal implants. In 1958 doctors used fecal implant as a last ditch effort on four patients with life threatening C. Diff - all four survived. In 2013 a landmark study (no ref provided) showed fecal implants to be superior to vancomycin - the gold standard treatment for C. Diff. Fecal transplants are now being studied as possible treatments for obesity, recurrent UTIs, ulcerative colitis, IBS and other conditions (again - no references). Insurance will only cover the implants for recurring C. Diff.

Donor stool may be administered via a plastic tube inserted through the nose into the stomach or small intestine, or via an enema or colonoscopy, or by swallowing a capsule containing the stool. The article concluded that it is not recommended to perform stool transplants at home!

There is quite a bit of literature available on the internet - google "Fecal Implant Studies".

@gwhap, I've heard about this as well. Of course, it's not exactly something pleasant or delightful to imagine, but it certainly is very fascinating.

My niece is an RN at Ohio State Univ. Hosp. and told me they are using fecal implants on recurring C. Diff patients. They insert an NG tube into the duodenum and put the fecal implant there to descend into the large bowel. Since I have had a few C. Diff infections, I keep up on these studies. I assumed that they injected them rectally, but that's not always the case. I'm now on oral Vancomycin when I get a flare up. Flagyl used to work, but no more.

If you've ever had C Diff, you'll be willing to try almost anything. I've had it and for about 2 months I was urgently having to go poo about every half hour, day and night the whole time.

C Diff happens when the usual bacteria in your gut get killed off by antibiotics and the normal C Diff bacteria bloom, having no competition. The treatment is oral Vancomycin, but it really didn't help me. Neither did 16 Imodium pills a day.

A very experienced nurse friend helped me heal. Her treatment was a very large saline enema (over 3000ml) to clear out as much as possible. She then gave me a strong dose of Imodium. An hour later she then inserted a 60" colon tube almost all the way and very slowly let a probiotic enema run in as she slowly pulled out the tube. The enema was about 8 - 10 Oz and was composed of chlorine free water with about 8 probiotic capsules dissolved in it. She then diapered me and I stayed in bed overnight. I retained the enema overnight, and the symptoms improved.

About three days later, we did the whole procedure again.

Had it not worked, I was seriously thinking about the fecal transplant.

I said this in another post. The girl who started me doing enemas had a hidden agenda. She wanted my flora in her because she had IBS for a long time. She had read or whatever that flora transplant will help. Her thing was that she did not want to do it clinical like. She wanted me to fill with just warm water and then take the hose off the bag, put a nozzle or maybe a straight hose into her. Essentially she would fill from me to her. It never happened because I was afraid that it may back up in me. Plus I had not been tested to make sure I didn't have anything bad in my flora. When she first told me I thought ew gross. But then she showed me an article about it. I did talk to a friend who works at the lab in the hospital I used to work at. She told me that they usually use babies but adults can be used as well.

Sean, I tried a 2 qt. tap water enema last fall for an outbreak of C. Diff. It helped a lot! Stopped the diarrhea long enough to rest and take more oral Vanco.

S. Susie once said that a large enema would wash out about 50% of ALL bacteria in the large bowel. I was surprised at what the enema did for me. From here on, I will also use large enemas to help knock down the C. Diff count AND take oral Vancomycin.

Was the nurse that helped you in a hospital, or was she a friend that visited your home?

My family Doc told me that Flagyl still does work on Clostrium Difficele., but not nearly as good as oral Vanco. He wants me to Try Flagyl first in the future, before taking oral Vancomycin. I will keep both antibiotics on hand.

The C. Diff cause what is called Pseudomembranous colitis, or P.M.C. (The slang name for it is, "The cellophane shits".)

Since the lining of the colon is already inflamed from the C. Diff., use only tap water.. saline, or NaHCO3

My wife has been in the hospital for a week following minor surgery. Not much appetite so lots of liquid protein shakes and juven. Result has been loose poops so they put her on c/diff protocol until they get a specimen and rule it out. I mentioned to the doc that I heard fecal implants were the most effective treatment. This doc is a real character and his response was:

”yes, they are effective but it’s really difficult to back you and your wife up at the proper height and alignment to accomplish the transfer......think about it!”

”yes, they are effective but it’s really difficult to back you and your wife up at the proper height and alignment to accomplish the transfer......think about it!”

That was pretty funny. I hope your wife is doing well and recovers fast.

It is not the same as tha fecal implant described here, but in my life there has been plenty of "cross-pollination". As a kid everyone in the family used the same bulb. Sometimes it was still wet fro a previous use on/by one of my brothers. Cleaning the bulb was, wipe the Vaseline off of the nozzle and rinse with plain water. Surely was not sterile. When I could talk my wife into enema play, I would give her some of the bag until she said "stop" which was usually a half bag or less, then she gave me the rest without even wiping the nozzle. I read here some even exchange enema fluid with some sort of Y tube on the bags but we never did that. I suppose all of these is discouraged with someone you do not know well.

Fecal transplant has a success rate of over 80% to 90% in curing repeating C. diff infections. The fecal flora I can be introduced via NG Tube, capsules, or enema.