Military Physical Examinations

@Kulemh

At your exams did the doctors discuss development or have to make invasive inquiries about that. At the later military physicals were you asked about sexual activity

@Kulemh

At your exams did the doctors discuss development or have to make invasive inquiries about that. At the later military physicals were you asked about sexual activity

@Examinedguy89 , I don’t remember I heard anything about development. But at 14 obviously development should have been examined. I remember we were naked, lots of boys in the big hall and some had visible black pubic hair which inevitably attracted my yes, while some boys were almost hairless. Same was with penis sizes, hugely varying. I am sure one of the doctors made notes on those variabilities.

Regarding sexual activity I think I can remember a question asked by a dermatologist, one of the members of medical board, asking me when I was 16, if I had any sexual activities so far. I didn’t have at that time and said no. She still examined me, likewise she did with all other boys as if we did have sex, to rule out any sexually transmitted infections. So she checked the penis, glans, skin on scrotum, and even checked our anuses as it was assumed that we could already have STI associated with homosexual sex. Fo 16 year old shy boys the chance was nearly zero, but still it was included in examination template.

Ah very interesting. Would you look around during your exams to compare etc. and do you remember if they checked underarms and armpit hair during any of them

Yes, I personally looked around. I don’t remember that armpits were specifically checked. But if they were, I wouldn’t notice. They may be checked while I was asked to raise arms.

Ah very interesting. When the doctors questioned people was it done somewhat in private or could you hear everyone’s answers

No privacy at all, sadly.

An update on Germany: Musterung (the compulsory medical examination of conscripts) will resume from summer 2027 (this had been suspended since 2011). The new law has just been published and provides for the following.

1. In addition to the doctor, an assistant must be present during the medical examination (to protect the army from claims of abuse). Under the old law, this was not mandatory, even though it was often the case even back then. These medical assistants are currently being recruited for 2027 and will predominantly be female and, as they are newly recruited, often very young. The doctor is almost always a woman as well, so our Gen Z conscripts will have the pleasure of undressing completely in front of two women, one of whom is barely older than the conscript themselves.

2. Under the new legislation, a thorough examination of the testicles will continue to be a mandatory part of the examination.

3. It is also mandatory to examine the conscript’s anal region. It is not entirely clear here whether the law requires only a visual inspection or also a physical examination by the doctor (wearing rubber gloves). I consider the latter to be appropriate for a thorough medical examination.

4. The law also requires an examination of the penis. Until 2011, it was explicitly stipulated that a check for phimosis must be carried out. Consequently, conscripts used to have to retract their foreskin in front of the doctor to expose the glans. Now, the phimosis examination is no longer explicitly required; only an examination of the penis is required. Consequently, some believe that retracting the foreskin is no longer necessary. I consider this to be wrong: How is one supposed to examine the penis of an uncircumcised conscript without retracting the foreskin? The debate is highly emotional in Germany because some conscripts find it humiliating to retract their foreskin in front of a female doctor and a young female assistant. One more detail: in the past, conscripts were usually allowed to retract their own foreskin. In some cases, however, the female doctor took over this task, which sometimes led to the conscript getting an erection.

If themedias were allowed to watch the exam of draftees and take photos, did they show on photos sometimes naked draftees or only in just underwears ? was it possible to recognize them ? for intance on a scale or for the height measure ? did they always shot the draftees by back or also by front ?

Were the draftees informed that thre would be some radios or newspapers or local TV present during their exam to take photos ?

As regards the clerks, it seems according to your relation that they were not present during the examination, ecept one secretary ? so I presume that they answered mainly about admistrative questions ?

was it mainly women who worked at local city hall ? and was it possible that local official reprentatives who were members of the commission were women ?

If it was read or seen by parents , grand parents, and so on , did they made comments to you about the draft process and same at school, was it a subject of talks even between girls classmates ? if the process was well known by every body by reading it on newspapers or seing it on a TV or heard on radio ?

@esaterman

It was only in underwear, sometimes there are posts in local news about such a commission in each city and they also posts photos from the workday of the commission. Sometimes, on those pictures, there were draftees during examination, sometimes in briefs, sometimes fully dressed, sometimes without faces, sometimes it was possible to identify them. So as you can see it was pure freedom in these actions and usually nobody cares about it (personal data, info, humiliation and so on) sometimes there are critical voices, but they are weak. Reffering to draftees consent to being photographed: I don't know, but I suppose that they didn't collect such a thing, I can't imagine them doing this in such a big scale (they would have to ask everybody from 30+ males called up daily). Local city hall clerks are mainly women, more: whole commission squads are usually all-female (doctor+nurse+clerk).

Sometimes there were small talks between girls in class, they were mainly curious what categories did we get.

@Musterer

Reffering to german musterung, I think that we already have quite faithful copy or even pattern how it looked liked in Germany up to 2011 and how it will be in the nearest future. In my country young males also are examined one by one solo by the doctor assisted by also mainly female clerk. You also have to be undresses to your underwear from the begining. I think there was even a law that stated you could ask doctor to perform your exam solo without assisting person but I think nobody ever made use of it because of stress, power differential and not to anger the doctor who had all his future in (usually) her hands. So as you can read, the law prioritized speed of the examination over dignity of draftees. Secretary was needed in the room for the whole exam to write down up to date all defects found by doctor during physical. Nurse was also there to improve the speed of exam and take some of the doctor's burden off her shoulders (blood pressure, measurements, eyesight exam and soon). So the doctor's comfort was also prioritized over intimacy and dignity of draftee. I think they did this to make the work of such a doctor more attractive in times of personnel shortages, they also improved the wages (now doctor working in such commissions, working daily can earn about 2x national averages... for 2-3 hours daily spend on collecting quick medical history, auscultating, doing some other basic tests and stamping the decision about fitness of each male).

We were all in our underwear in the main room and when it came time for the genital exam they would take us into a private room individually and lower our boxers to do the hernia exam, I never got the chance to see anyone naked in line

@Kulemh

Thanks for sharing your experience. I am a little surprised that boys of 14 and 16 years old were examined totally nude from the beginning. How long did the whole process last? And how many doctors and staffs are female? Are there any young nurses or clerks around? Still, is this true account not fantasy?