Standing naked in front of a draft board

"tygr601 "

Can you tell us about how much young men were waiting undressed in the hall at same time?

And if there was like in the examination room some military women who were in charge of undressing and gave instructions or walked past the hall ( or why not even, women secretaries ?)

In the examination room, you said that it lasted about one hour, it was a very long time for a small group of three or four draftees, but I presume that it was more short for the part in the nude ? since you had first some exams in underwears such eyes test ?

Were you naked or in underwear for the weighting ?

If at the final part in front of the draft board commission for the decision about fitness the doctors wanted to repeat somme exams like an eyes test for a draftee,was the draftee instructed to read again letters on a chart but doing it in the nude, not in underwears like it was previously?

Among the members of the commission, who was mainly questioning you ? was the military woman asking at you questions like the other members ?

I presume that you might stay naked and keep your arms along the side all the time without allowance to cross your hands in front of genitals ?

Were some draftees reluctant to obey and strictly instructed to do it by military persons ? even by the military woman ?

When you were standing naked for the last part, was it only frontally or were you also instructed to turn around to give a sight on your back including of course the white butt to all members and may be also on eacch side ?

Did you hear some comments about your body , for instance about the white butt? who did comments ?

or before during rectal exam ?

You have not answered to me about the situatation when you had been declared fit for military service but might wait to take on your underwear and get out of the room? where were you intructed to stand while an other draftee was in front of the draft commission, did you stayed exposed to the views of all members of the commission during that time of waiting ?

After that report in front of the draft board commission, did you were asked by father or mother or grand parents or other siblings to relate your exam in details and what did they thought about it, especially about the presence of three women ? did they found it funny and laughed about it or were they shocked and understood your embarrassment ?

Did you know if the same process with nudity in front of a draft bozrd commission was still applied during following years ?

In 1979 at an induction center in Dallas Texas I was being processed for the Marine Corps, they had all the recruits, about twenty of us all in a single line, completely striped. There was one or two men and one women standing in front of us as we stood about a half an arms length from each other. They went in front of each of us and looked at our genitals and did a hernia check. The women was documenting as they were doing this, standing beside him watching. When finished with that, they went back through the line one at a time and had us step forward one at a time and the women inspected our bodies for scars, birthmarks, moles, etc. She had us slowly turn a 360 as she made notes. When that was complete, they had us turn our back to them and bend over and spread our butt checks. They went behind us inspecting our butts one by one and the women documented again what they saw. This was the first time I had ever been examined that closely by a female!

"Hoss"

What is not very clear in your relation is who was the woman

she might not be a doctor if she did not perform herself the inspection of genitals or anus area but was behind the male doctors to take notes, of course she saw all your naked bodies even when you spread your butts cheeks to let the doctor inspect the anus areas

and I believe that she was an experienced nurse since she was in charge like it was not seldom for a nurse to inspect completely all parts of your bodies to.check if you had no moles, nor scars or birthmarks and instructed you to turn completely for that checking.

I presume that it was embarrassing but it was not really surprising, except may be the presence of a woman nurse who was so close to you that she could see all of you ..

And you were a volonteer, not a draftee

"Tygr 601"

I have still one more question to be sure to have understood the process of draft examination that you have related

In the examination room, did the three doctors stay sitted on chairs behind a desk ? or did they were standing to perform themselves some examinations and moving in the room ?

in the first case, it means that there was other military doctors or nurses in the room to perform examinations such as eyes test or weigh-ins and so on in the second case, there was only six person,s in the examination room apart from the draftees , and the doctors had to move to perform the examinations before sitting with the three other persons of the commission for the last part of the exam ?

Esaterman,

You are correct, in 1979 it was all volunteer. As for as the women, I have no idea what her credentials were. She was maybe in her thirties and extremely attractive. She was wearing a skirt best I remember and was just following the doctors and taking direction from them as she documented everything to each of our sets of paperwork. She was extremely observant looking over our naked bodies, documenting every detail she was seeing.

I presume that she was a nurse because you have said that she was in charge of checking your bodies for moles, scars and rushes , it was not a task which could be given to a secretary without any medical skills.

If she had only been standing behind the doctors and taking notes of all what they noticed or their comments, it would have been plausible that she was not a medical person, just an administrative assistant for the doctors.

The only doubt is about her cloth, a skirt was not the most regular garment for a nurse, it was surprising that she did no wear a lab coat which was the most common.

Being exposed completely to the view of a woman wearing a skirt increased certainly the feeling of nudity exposure .

" tygr 601"

I have forgotten to ask at you how the members of the draft board commission were talking to you when asking questions or giving instructions ?

Did they call you by your name?

Or just by calling you " draftee" without your name since you were the only one standing in front of them ?

Or by calling you "young man" ? or anything else ?

Did the doctors used a différent way to adress to you than the military persons ,?

To easterman

I think that in a hall were about 25 to 30 guys, not more. It was all who were together at the first part of recruit when people from army told about importance of military service and about organization of the medical exam. All process for recruit took about one hour. Shorter time was about military, this was done in bigger room and everybody fully clothes and only army people where there with us, no doctors or secretary.

I was weighting nude. If somebody had to do again some part of exam is was done with no clothes, just totally nude. As you wrote, if your eye test was not good, they checked it very quickly again, but you had to be nude. The most questions had head of the committee, other members asked only few times. And doctors ask during exam process. Of course that I had to stay at attention with hands among body, and it was necessary to follow all instruction that you got, if not doctors or army people became very angry.

I had to stay in a line during the final process when committee say yes or no for military service with other guys. As soon as said this last guy, head of the committee said that he congratulated us because we passed exam and are able to join army. Then was allowed to take underwear. Family members asked me only if I pass this exam, I felt very shy to speak with them what happened. In the next year this process was not done, because obligatory military service was cancelled here.

People from army and secretary were sitting at the table, doctors sometimes sit down, sometimes walking around the exam place. Everybody was sitting only from the start of the exam, when I came to the exam room. It was necessary to say them your name, date of the birth. But during exam process they often didn´t call us by names, but only used words like recruits or drafts.

In Turkey, up until 2016, the process of mandatory military medical examinations was an experience that many young men found both daunting and humiliating. The examination, known as *askerlik muayenesi*, was a rite of passage that every male citizen had to endure before being conscripted into the military.

One of the most notorious aspects of this process was the requirement to wait completely naked—or at least in underwear—for extended periods in front of the draft board (*sevk heyeti*). The draft board consisted of military doctors and officials who were responsible for evaluating the physical and mental fitness of each conscript.

Upon arrival at the military recruitment center, young men would be herded into large rooms or open courtyards, often with little regard for privacy. After initial paperwork and preliminary checks, they were instructed to strip down to their underwear or, in many cases, completely naked. This stripping process happened in the presence of dozens, sometimes even hundreds, of other conscripts, creating an atmosphere of intense discomfort and vulnerability.

Once undressed, the conscripts would be lined up and made to wait, often for hours, as each man was called individually to be examined by the draft board. The examination itself was thorough and invasive, involving checks of the entire body, including the genital area, to ensure there were no disqualifying conditions. The conscripts had to endure these examinations while completely exposed, in full view of not only the draft board but also other conscripts waiting their turn.

What made the experience even more challenging was the waiting period, which could be agonizingly long. In some cases, young men were required to stand or sit in the open, in their underwear or naked, in full view of everyone around them. This waiting could take place in various settings, including outdoor courtyards or hallways, further exacerbating the feeling of exposure and vulnerability.

The psychological impact of this experience was significant. Many conscripts felt a deep sense of humiliation, as their bodies were on display for hours, often in uncomfortable or cold conditions. The lack of privacy and the indifferent attitude of the military personnel overseeing the process only added to the stress.

This method of conducting military medical examinations was widely criticized, and over the years, there were calls for reforms to ensure that conscripts were treated with more dignity and respect. By 2016, changes were gradually implemented to improve the process, reducing the level of public exposure and providing more privacy during the examinations. However, for those who went through the process before these reforms, the memory of standing naked for hours in front of the draft board remains a vivid and often painful part of their journey into manhood.

"MedExamee "

I have no doubt that the process of draft in Turkey was rather degrading for young men summoned for a draft examination with a process without any respect of privacy and even until 2016 when most of the countries which had maintained a compulsory military service had changed the process to give more respect of privacy to the draftees.

Turkey was certainly one of the last countries where the process was the same than in the past until 2016. ( even if we don't know how are now performed the draft exams in some south american states or asian states like China or South Korea )

Nevertheless, I notice that if the number of young men who might undress as draftees all together was very huge ( one hundred or several hundreds for instance ) but it was not very specific, it was the same in other countries, even sometimes in France in the 50's ( I remember of the relation of an older cousin who had been summoned to report in a great town of the East of France in front of the draft board commission, they were very numerous, and so they were instructed immediately after entrance in the building to strip all together about one or two hundreds and then they waited in the buff in the corridor in front of the large exam room , but there was not enough space, so they stood "nutts to butts" also in a great stair and in the hall of the major building and it had lasted all a morning for the last ones )

What seems to me more seldom was that some draftees might wait undressed in open courtyards outside of buildings, I have not understood if they were exposed in underwears or naked to a lot of personsin that case, even persons walking in the streets if there was not a wall to protect them from view outside.

And for the report in front of a draft board commission, I presume that on the reverse of some relations like that of Tygr601, there was no women among the members of the draft board commission ? no women doctors nor military women nor of course secretaries.

You write that a notorious aspect of the process was the waiting in the nude for extended periods in front of the draft board and that it was composed of military doctors and officials ( only male persons I presume ? and who were the officials ? , majors of cities, local authorities or national ones, but apparently no superior officers like it was in france )

who took the final decision about the fitness of each draftee after all exams and gave loudly his decision to the draftee waiting in the nude ? an official or a doctor ?

Youn talk of a rite of passage, it was exactly what he was in France but it ended at the middle of the 60's, not in 2016 like in your country !

A thorough exam including genitals inspection in front of the members of the draft board of course but also of other many draftees was not really seldom, it was the same in France and many other countries like Russia for instance;

I have no doubt that it was an experience which left a vivid and often painful part in their journey to manhood but it was the purpose of the military authorities in my opinion, they wanted that the draftees kept a memory of that examination, that it was not something too casual and the humiliation of draftees was certainly a volontarily part of the process of military exam for draft. It was obvious that the military men who conducted and supervised the process were completely indifferent to the modesty and embarrassment of draftees, and a long waiting period undressed was logical to increase the feeling of embarrassment ( of course worst if naked )

it is a pity that in a country where it was maintained until a so recent year, that process of exam for draftees was never shown in turkisch movies like if the directors of movies were not interested at all, because they could have shown it by shooting one scene like in some russian movies !

"gygr601"

thank you for all details

You write that you were weigtheed nude, so it means that you were very soon after a short time of exam in underwear instructed to strip completely and remove it ?

And you write that the most questions were asked by the head of the committee, but who was the head? ,a doctor or one of the two mlitary persons or both the two the man and the woman ?

And only the two military persons and the secretary stayed sitting at the table, the doctors might move to perform exams, there was no other doctors, am I right ?

For instance it was one of the doctor who came to weigth you in the nude and read the result, so that all the doctors were only sitting at the start of the exam when you entered in the room and later at the end for the final part , not during the exam itself?

Who gave to you loudly like it was generally the case the result about your fitness ,? I presume that it was the head of the committee but was it ?

You were lucky that your father or grand father or uncle did not want to know in details how you were examined, my father was asking at me when came back and he wanted all details to compare with the draft exam at his time !

Even in lunches or meets family , the subject waqs often discussed either when every sibling knew that you were very soon summoned for the traditional and well known draft examination, either after the physical examination to know how it was performed ? if there was changes or not, even some women like an aunt were interested and teasing me about it, one older female cousin, more than 20 age older, said that she would have liked to be a fly in the exam room and all women and girls laughed! the only person who did not want to embarrass me more was my mother !

To Easterman

Weighting was not done from the start of the exam, which I now find a little bit surprised because in general doctor this exam is done among first exam. Here was done in the middle of the exam process. Head of the committee was man, nobody else come to the exam room instead of people from committee. Doctors sometimes sit behind the desk if they need to make detailed notes about exam results. Yes, the head of the committee – army man – told me that I am able to join army. I think that almost everybody pass this exam, you have to be serious ill for not pass recruit exam. At my family I didn´t discuss about details, because I felt very shy. Almost nobody asked about more details, but I think that it was generally known that this exam is usually done nude way.

At school schoolmates especially girls wanted to hear details from this exam, many of them had older boyfriend so they know how this process is done and had a big fun from it, especially from the imagination that exam is done when you are complete nude or that you had to stay nude in front of draft board.

"Tygr601"

If you were lucky to live in a family who did not ask questions to you about the set up of your examinations, I was more lucky to be in an all boys school, so that no girl classmates could ask at us how we were examined in front of a draft board commission, and if there was women among the members of the draft board who could see us completely naked for a while, I imagine the mischieving questions of girls classmates in a mixed class, ( a german guy has already related his embarrassment after the exam at school with girls classmates who knew perfectly like everybody that the draftees might be naked )

I have not a sister who could have been also curious about the draft exam and would have certainly liked to tease at me about the nudity in front of several persons including women if she had known it

@hoss

In 1979 at an induction center in Dallas Texas I was being processed for the Marine Corps, they had all the recruits, about twenty of us all in a single line, completely striped. There was one or two men and one women standing in front of us as we stood about a half an arms length from each other. They went in front of each of us and looked at our genitals and did a hernia check. The women was documenting as they were doing this, standing beside him watching. When finished with that, they went back through the line one at a time and had us step forward one at a time and the women inspected our bodies for scars, birthmarks, moles, etc. She had us slowly turn a 360 as she made notes. When that was complete, they had us turn our back to them and bend over and spread our butt checks. They went behind us inspecting our butts one by one and the women documented again what they saw. This was the first time I had ever been examined that closely by a female!

I enlisted in early 2000s. We were stripped to our skivvies and did ROM, balancing, push-ups, strength tests. duck walk, height, vision etc. all in a group. Afterwards we had to line up in a cold corridor (still in our skivvies) for what seemed like hours waiting for our one-on-one physical. We entered the doctors' room individually. The moment I walked in I was instructed to remove my boxers. There was an old man doctor, a middle-aged female doctor and a young (ish) nurse who was also a girl. So there I was, barefoot, barechested, and bare-assed in front of 1 man and 2 women. LOL The physical lasted 5-10 mins and I was naked the entire time! I tried not to look at the nurse but i noticed her staring at my penis which caused me to get a semi. I was half-hard the entire time. If I had been in the room any longer I probably would've ended up at full mast! LOLOL.

How long did you recall having to be naked for? Did the female assistant stare at your manhood or smirk or make any comments? Weren't you worried about getting a boner? Also, were there any other females present at your exam?

"MilGuy"

Can you tell us where the exam was performed , what was the country ?

The presence of two doctors , one of each gender was not common in all countries and also that of a young nurse

What exams were performed ? was it mainly a visual inspection by front and by back so that you had given a complete view on your butts to the young nurse as well as on your genitals ?

did the doctors made some comments about your body which could be funny for the young nurse like ( you have nice round and muscular butts! or not much hairs on the sides of the anus, your penis is rather longer than that of others same age and so on ...)

did you have to walk in the room or do squats or any other exercices ?

did you were told to retract your foreskin ?

was it only an exam of your body or did you were also questioned ?

you said that the exam naked lasted about 5 to 10 minutes, it seems rather long for a visual exam, what else did they do ?

I have often wondered about this after seeing the movie "Hair." There's a scene where the draftees are standing in front of a group of officers at some point of the draft process. Individual draftees are moving through the stations wearing underwear and then appear before this group of men. One of them confirms the draftee's name and then says "everything off," prompting the draftee to shed his underwear and stand naked in front of the panel.

I assume the scene was based on actual practice. I also know there were local draft boards and have seen old newspaper notices listing who was supposed to report to the local draft board. Whether they were physically examined locally or not I do not know. I would seem more practical to interview draftees first to see if there was a disqualifying condition (deafness or poor eyesight) before subjecting that person to a full exam.... but the draft probably did not operate that way.

" Mas 1978" That scene of a movie "Hairs " is pretty funny because among the group of officers who inspected visually the naked bodies of the draftees in that room, there was several women officers who seemed to enjoy with a funny song over the pictures, and among the women some black ones which was still more funny because they might enjoyed still more certainly to see in the nude young white young men !

In my memory the scene is rather short, I don' t remember if the draftee was instructed to turn around to expose his back to the officers, white butt exopsed completely ? or if he was only seen frontally ?

I believe that that scene was credible even if it did not happen always, it might be the last part of a report in front of pre-induction center with only officers in uniforms to watch the draftees in the nude, I have read in relations in other countries the same kind of scene or seen it in movies or documentaries ' especially in Poland

it is not a report in front of the draft board commission like it was many years ago in France when there was a mandatory military service until the middle of the 60's because thre was a real examination in the room with a military doctor performing the examination in front of the members of the draft commission and among them thre was always several reprentatives of local and national authorities who were civilians dressed like in town!

I have never seen such an exam in front of civilians persons in a US movie !