Florida School Paddling

Recent news about an 18 year old cheerleader honor student alleging sexual assault after paddling by Assistant Principal as Principal watched. The surprising element is she opted for the paddling instead of detention.

https://www.the74million.org/article/florida-students-seize-on-parental-rights-to-stop-educators-from-hitting-kids/

How can the spanking of a woman not be sexual? ...👿👹👺🤡

How can the spanking of a woman not be sexual? ...👿👹👺🤡

That's why paddling in schools should be same sex ie for girls it should be a female teacher.

@ddell2 How about gay/lesbian teachers?

Or gay males who might not be that interested in a girl

That's why paddling in schools should be same sex ie for girls it should be a female teacher.

@ddell2 How about gay/lesbian teachers?

Or gay males who might not be that interested in a girl

Or ……… It gets more complicated every day! Maybe it’s time to simply no longer allow school spankings.

Or ……… It gets more complicated every day! Maybe it’s time to simply no longer allow school spakings.

Call me old-fashion or whatever but when you are making rules, I believe that you got to stick with the concept that there are two sexes. I am fully cognizant that is not the most possible concept these days. I don't know if you have heard the joke or not about a t-shirt or not. A guy walks the window of a clothing store and sees a t-shirt in the window that reads. There are 37 genders. He thought it would be a hit at the lake so he goes into the store. Tells the clerk that he wants the t-shirt in the window. The clerk says. "They are available in men's and women's sizes."

Paddling was prevalent in the schools that I attended and it worked as a deterrent to bad behavior. Of course, in those days, the last thing that you would do is go home and complain about being paddled as school because you would get another one at home.

Firstly, I think the solution is same sex paddling! Secondly, how times have changed! As ddell2 said, in the past, THE LAST THING you wanted, was your parents to know you had been paddled! Since however bad the paddling had been at school; IT WAS NOTHING compared to what was awaiting you when you got home! That was when the real pain and suffering started! That was when your bare flesh really suffered the 'fires of hell'! No layers of clothing to protect your buttocks now! A bare bottom spanking was bad enough in itself; OBVIOUSLY! But on an already tender, sore and sometimes bruised behind, the spanking you got at home was simply agony! Now your already hurting mounds of buttock flesh were in for the 'real deal'; a blistering and roasting that would have you howling, pleading, begging and sobbing as a solid piece of cherrywood, cellulite or a hard and heavy hand made the earlier school paddling seem like a pleasant memory! That is how it was for me, my siblings, cousins, friends and acquaintances; or the vast majority of them anyway! I don't think the kids today can even begin to understand JUST HOW MUCH THOSE SPANKINGS HURT!!!! In our parents eyes we had brought shame on them; and committed a violation; misbehaving, or for that matter, simply violating a school rule was forbidden! There was a price to pay! And boy, did we ever pay it!

I'm surprised that this still happens, but less surprised when I see that it was Florida (or the South in general). My school still did spanking (with a strap, not a paddle) but this was in the 1980s. And I seem to recall that when I was near the end of school, they also made it a choice between spanking and detention. But it was phased out entirely right after that.

Not a single response here condemning corporal punishment in any & all guises? So let's recap what zittbiz users her think. 1) An assault on a student is ok here, as long as it's not ostensibly a sexual assault 2) Somehow "same gender" desexualizes this child abuse, even if the teacher may be homosexual 3) but ,of course she's being struck in an intimate sexual area & that still isn't "sexual".?

Not 100% surprising coming from the South, but the medieval style zittbiz encouragement,cheering & jeering on of child abuse as demonstrated on this thread is disconcerting .

I am certainly not condoning this sort of discipline and punishment of children! And I am certainly not advocating it in this day and age! I am simply stating how things were in the past! For me and most of the youngsters I knew anyway! It was a very different world back then! And what happened, happened! Whether people like it or not! Whether the pendulum has swung to far the other way now, is, I suppose, a matter of opinion! But back, for example, in the '60s and '70s, when I grew up, attitudes were very different!

Ddell wrote: "That's why paddling in schools should be same sex ie for girls it should be a female teacher."

That is the case in virtually every school district now that still paddles. In the vast majority of districts students may be paddled only by a certified person (usually the school principal or asst. principal or in some cases a designee) of the same gender and a certified witness of the same gender must be present. There are also limits placed on number of swats. And students with disabilities are excluded from paddling.

In the case of girls, it is often a certified female teacher designated by the principal who paddles and there is a certified female witness present.

I'm surprised that this is allowed on a 18 year old.

(She may have deliberately taken paddling over detention in order to make a political move and demonstrate the problems posed by paddling.)

Jacana wrote:

I'm surprised that this is allowed on a 18 year old.

There was a court case in 2008 where an 18 year old Senior student who was to be paddled refused the paddling. The principal had the girl held down and delivered the paddling. She sued and ultimately the court ruled that age was irrelevant as long as the student is enrolled in the school and by such enrollment must adhere to the rules and consequences in effect in the school and that refusing students could be restrained. The case was in Texas (Serafin v. School of Excellence in Education (Case No. 07-9760). The 3 judge court ruled in favor of the school district. The girl appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court who refused to hear the case, so the girl lost.

@Papa_Sam This is interesting. Do we agree that should this happen in general to an adult, this is assault and battery in reunion?

@Jacana My feelings on the case is that if you are enrolled in a school you need to abide by the rules of the school as well as accept the school's consequences. Where I disagree is that I do not believe that any student, regardless of age, should be forcibly restrained for a paddling. There should be consequences for refusing to accept a paddling but the choice to refuse or accept should be with the potential recipient, not that school administration.

@Papa_Sam Right, the restraining by force is highly shocking. As you say, refusal should maybe be ground for consequences (being dismissed or such), but this sounds too much like assault and battery…

I was paddled in grade school. I was caught shooting a spitball at another student. I was given a choice of detention or paddling, and I chose the latter. After class I reported to the male teacher's classroom along with a friend who also made that choice. We were ordered to bend over and touch our toes, whereupon the single hard whack was delivered to our backsides with a substantial wooden paddle. Then we were free to go. It was not particularly traumatic, as I had chosen that form of punishment. My butt hurt for about ten minutes afterwards. We were not required to drop our pants.

I can however understand that a student would opt for a few sharp spanks on the bottom (humiliating and unpleasant, but short; and after all one gets unpleasant cramps after sports as well), as long as pain is limited and short-lived, rather that spend hours in detention.

Jacana wrote:There was a court case in 2008 where an 18 year old Senior student who was to be paddled refused the paddling. The principal had the girl held down and delivered the paddling. She sued and ultimately the court ruled that age was irrelevant as long as the student is enrolled in the school and by such enrollment must adhere to the rules and consequences in effect in the school and that refusing students could be restrained. .

I attended Texas Public Schools in the '60s and early '70s. I actually saw a teach paddle both a girl and a boy for not having their homework. The girl took her paddling a like a trooper. Other than a grimace with each of her five whacks, she showed no emotion. When it was the boys turn, it was the exact opposite. First, the teacher struggle to position him. The teacher put the recipient over her desk, weight on their forearms, their feet off the ground and face to the class. The boy grabbed his fanny after the first whack and started crying. She told him to get his hands out of the way and he wouldn't budge. The teacher actually called two of the strongest boys in the class to hold him arms in place then gave him five whacks. He bawled like a two year old. Needless to say, not one student failed to do their assignment the rest of the year.

My two cents.

I've seen a few unruly students in school. These were teenagers who essentially were waiting for the legal age at which they would no longer be forced to attend school. They were wasting their own time (because they were uninterested in what was taught), the teachers' time, and also the other students time due to the disruption they created.

The question is then whether it was wise to force them to attend classes rather than, say, send them to vocational training. I don't think paddling would have helped.

The paddle to my knowledge has never been a thing in British schools but the cane was until it was banned. I got it a couple of times. It is my genuine belief that it should be reinstated again now. I look around at so many delinquent, disobedient kids that lack respect for any form of authority or for themselves and the permissive society has allowed them to call the tune. Parents should still have the law on their side when or if they choose to spank (provided it is a spanking and NOT a beating or any form of abuse) and corporal punishment should be back in schools AND in our prison system. Spanking or smacking as we call it here is not actually banned in England or Northern Ireland but it is in Wales and Scotland. If I'm correct I believe it is still allowed in some schools in some US states?

As a life long spanko, I LOVE this thing we do BUT between CONSENTING adults!!!! I absolutely reject the notion of spanking children, regardless of age, be at home or in school.

Keep it with the grownups and find better and more effective methods to discipline kids!!

Did the parents know that the school will paddle? If they did they consented to having their child spanked especially if the child was given the choice

This is actually sickening to me. Play between consenting adults in/out of the bedroom is completely different from an adult who holds power over a younger person. There is no part of me as a parent that thinks paddling a student in the literal sense is okay.

I am thankful to see other members realize how wrong this is.

Recent news about an 18 year old cheerleader honor student alleging sexual assault after paddling by Assistant Principal as Principal watched. The surprising element is she opted for the paddling instead of detention.

First the "student" is 18 so considered an adult.

Second she chose the paddling over detention. That to me is consent to the paddling.

Exactly.

Give her some time, she will be the next "Hawk Tuah!" girl...