Double Balloon Nozzle Help

My partner and I have been playing with enemas for several years. We have, what looks like the CleanStream Double Bulb Nozzle. My partner has had it as long as I have been with them (4.5 years).

They like to give me painful and/or difficult to hold enemas. Until a couple weeks ago, I had no problems.

A couple weeks ago, he gave me a nice, soapy enema, which I held for 7-ish minutes before it got too much.

I jumped up, onto the toilet, and pushed the whole thing out... the balloon and all.

They tell me they used 5 pumps.

While I was supposed to get a clean out enema the second time, he gave me another soapy one (because I hadn't finished the bag!)

Again, after about 5ish minutes, I had to jump up and onto the toilet, and out it came, including the balloon.

The clean out enema (complete with cool water... which I was not expecting!), did the same thing.

I'm not sure what we are doing wrong. They are pumping the outer twice and the inside 5 times. They don't want to over inflate the balloons.

We want to do a nice mean session this weekend, including newly acquired glycerin! We are both worried about me pushing the balloon out again.

It doesn't look like failure of the device. The valves are metal, not plastic, and they work just fine. The balloons themselves are intact and no damage can be seen.

Is my sphincter just to strong? Are we doing something wrong? Help!

My thought is that your sphincter is getting accustomed to the size of the balloon and not able to hold it in anymore. While I don't use a double balloon nozzle I do use an inflatable butt plug and I have noticed that the usual inflation is not enough anymore once the urge hits....

Thanks @thedocisin

We don't play with enemas (and this nozzle) that often, so I'm not sure why I would be accustomed to it now.

We do play with anal quite a bit, so I wonder if using the large plugs for 2 or 3 hours might have done it.

I wonder if there is a larger retention nozzle we could use?

I really want to be able to hold things longer that I "want" to.

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@4711koeln Can you not give me your advice here?

Thank you.

It's possible you could have a prolapse and weakened anal wall. This is a determination by a medical professional. Consult your doctor.

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It's possible you could have a prolapse and weakened anal wall. This is a determination by a medical professional. Consult your doctor.

Wow! That's concerning.

I don't have any other problems, but I will make an appointment shortly.

Thank you.

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I have a Cleanstream double balloon as well. Five pumps is not enough to full inflate the inner balloon. I use twelve but all you have to do is count the pumps while inflating it before you insert it. When the fluting is entirely filled that’s the correct amount of air. Otherwise it will leak liquid out of your anus. It’s ridiculous to say you have an incompetent anus without trying the above. As a physician, I know also even fully inflated balloons are passed totally inflated sometimes in barium enemas if the wave of peristalsis is strong enough.

@liquidsky

Thank you for this. My partner is worried about over pumping. But, I think we might try inflate it outside to see how big it actually gets.

I don't seem to leak any fluid, just able to push it out while reaching and sitting on the toilet.

I've been known to push out inflatable butt plugs (The necks are never small enough!)

I do, need to schedule a colonoscopy as a general thing(my doctor has been hounding me for the past several months) so I'm sure they will see whatever there, but I think perhaps inflating it more might be the right call to start.

@TKitten I'm not impressed with cleanstresam. It seems like the inner and outer balloons are you far apart & they don't seem to make a good seal.

I had a barium enema once, years ago, and they left me on the table completely filled to go develop the films. I had cramps & contractions so bad I thought I was going to push everything out on the table. The nozzle only has a single balloon, butt I'd like to find one of those nozzles.

I just got one a few weeks ago and I am also concerned about over inflating the inside ballon I use about 5 pumps myself then if I’m leaking I’ll use smaller partial pumps until it stops

But I’m very new to there use

There are a number of balloon colon tubes in our fundus. These include the ones made of yellow latex with one and two balloons. One of the single balloon tubes has a 750cc balloon, another one with only 250cc, or another with two 250cc balloons. As mentioned in another post, the distances between the double balloons are also too large here. This means that a seal is only achieved by excessive inflation, which is not likely to be beneficial for the rectum.

Due to the soft latex material, some skill is required to introduce the first balloon. However, we do not necessarily see this as a disadvantage, rather as an erotic advantage.

In our opinion, the better double balloon enema tubes should be from Rüsch. First, these balloons are on a rubber tube, which makes insertion quite quick and easy, and the two balloons are connected to each other. This means that only one pump is required and the pressures are equalized below each other. Another advantage we see is the closer spacing, which improves sealing when administering an enema. Sometimes I get both balloons inserted; But that's another topic...

Of course, we also tested the balloon enema tubes made of silicone. It stayed that way. The quality isn't the best; Balloons leaked quickly, especially at the splices. Shame about the money spent.

The caution not to inflate the inner balloon too much, is entitled. A bursting balloon can cause serious injury to the rectum.

For this reason, bladder catheter balloons are stretched with distilled water.

The fact that an inflated balloon can be pushed out of the rectum makes me suspect that the anus has been stretched over time with ever thicker plugs or other anal toys, resulting in permanent overstretching. Excessive fisting can also be a reason. These are just guesses now.

We love strapons, but the thickest dildos have a maximum diameter of 4.5 cm.

So, that was my two cents on this topic. Everyone be careful and only play for joy...

@TKitten

You aren't doing anything wrong. Let's take a look (figuratively, of course).

First, the warning about not overinflating is a valid one for any of the double balloon nozzles, especially those with a fluted design. Once the balloon is inflated so that the fluting disappears at the point of maximum diameter, extra squeezes of the inflator bulb do not significantly inflate the enlarge the balloon. Beyond a certain point the pressure begins to break the bonds in the elastomer. Latex rubber has more tolerance than silicone rubber balloons for this.

Second, you are getting a lesson in how elastic the anal sphincter muscle tissue really is. If it wasn't, the tissue would have torn (anal fissure) and you would like have been bleeding. Small fissures usually repair themselves. Full blown tears require surgery. As mentioned, it could also be rectal prolapse which is when the lower part of the rectum is pushed out through the anus.

There is a misperception that the inner balloon should seal the inside surface of the anal sphincter ring and the outer balloon should seal the outer surface of the anal sphincter ring and it should all be held in place because the anus is "too small" and inflexible to allow anything to pass outward. Hence, the idea that the two balloons are spaced too far apart. I invite you to read and look at the pictures of the Sandan XL in my blog and album (https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=blog;ox=showpage;pg=7361 and the images https://en.zity.biz/index.php?mx=gallery;ox=showalbum;ax=12195). If I inflate the front (inner) balloon and the outer balloon, it acts and seals as well as any double balloon nozzle. It's not as flexible as a standard double balloon nozzle but you can see without the middle balloon inflated, there's more than an inch spacing between the inner and outer balloon.

I can push it out if I move my hips to a certain position (which might be a factor in your pushing the inflated balloon out).

What I've found is that it's the friction/engagement of the rectal muscle walls with the balloon surface that holds the balloon in place (do you use lubricant to insert the nozzle? You may be using too much. You only need enough to limit friction when it's passing through the anus).

I've written about this before. Once the nozzle is inserted, it takes more than just inflating it. I use a sequence of Kegel contractions with the inflation of the inner balloon like this: squeeze of the inflation bulb, 7-10 Kegel contractions, next squeeze, 7-10 Kegel contractions, until I've reached the 6th squeeze of the inflation bulb. Don't be in a rush to get it inflated. You should start feeling a significant fullness at the 3rd to 4th squeeze of the bulb.

Give your rectum and rectal muscles a chance to adapt to this enlarging object.

As you do the Kegel contractions, it should feel like you are drawing the nozzle into you (you are in a way). This helps the rectal tissue engage with the balloon surface as you inflate it. You should be able to tug on the nozzle slightly once it is inflated and tell that it does not move and that it has effectively plugged the lower end of your rectum. The outer balloon inflation is the true test, however. When you inflate it (Kegels not required), if it feels tight against the outer surface (it's quite a wickedly delicious sensation IMHO), you are effectively sealed.

As mentioned, too much lubricant can make it difficult to maintain the friction between the balloon and the rectal tissue. The same thing can happen with soap. If soapy liquid can work it's way around the balloon surface, the friction can be greatly reduced.

I hope this helps. Once I started doing balloon inflations this way, I had fewer issues and the various balloon nozzles became much "pleasurable" to use.

I've written about this before. Once the nozzle is inserted, it takes more than just inflating it. I use a sequence of Kegel contractions with the inflation of the inner balloon like this: squeeze of the inflation bulb, 7-10 Kegel contractions, next squeeze, 7-10 Kegel contractions, until I've reached the 6th squeeze of the inflation bulb. Don't be in a rush to get it inflated. You should start feeling a significant fullness at the 3rd to 4th squeeze of the bulb.

That was an excellent post from top to bottom.

On the subject of the kegels, I've used that as muscle squeezes during the administration of an enema if she is feeling full. It seems to relieve pressure by pushing the enema higher up and therefore more comfortable. It has seemed to work, and it makes sense it would also help to seat the balloon.

@Aquarius and @Enema_Runner

Thank you both for your comments.

We may be using too much lube. I'll try that.

I will also have to try the kegals. I do them every day, so it should be pretty easy to do while it's in.

The idea that it can be pushed by the angle of the hips... it only pushed out when I hit the toilet. So, I think that might be part of it.

I do use larger plugs, but maybe once a week. The largest being the nJoy Pure Plug 2.0 ( 2 inches / 51mm).

Thanks for the advice and things to try!

If you are going for painful largevolume you need to be semi cleaned out first and not with a soap suds enema , a little salt and baking soda will do because you want a calm colon not one triggered over and over with SSE's , even the balloon pumped to the max is easy to push out when you are fighting the affects of a soap suds enema because that what an SSE does ,uncontrollable spasms

Here is my two penny.

First of all. To be more consistent about balloon volume, i prefer to close inlet valve of pump with a finger while squeezing it.

Klystra's silicone balloons ranked as 250cc volume are safe to be inflated with 3 pumps. 500cc - 6 pumps. 750cc - 9 pumps. I'am not owning clean stream double balloon nozzle, but AFAIK it ranked as 750cc/250cc and accordingly will hold 9/3 pumps safely (for the balloon, obviously).

The second idea is that placement of inner balloon is critical for efficiency. My method to putting it in a right place is the following.

Lube the patient lavishly. Lube the nozzle up to middle of outer balloon (it is important). Insert inner balloon and slowly start to inflate it. After each pump give it a little movement so it slides to the right place by itself. Give outer balloon a little slide inside (it is important). After fully inflating inner balloon, inflate the outer balloon as usual, so it put itself outside. The idea that it will creates a little tension between balloons.

This method works especially well with rusch double balloon latex nozzle, that, as it been already told, has too big spacing between balloons.

The third idea is very obvious. Try solving balloon issues before play. It not that fun. But technical issues as showstopper is much less fun.

Once in a middle of rough play with a rope bondage and a large enema my partner's car alarm went off, and it was not false alarm. Since that day i never ever doing something rough that can't be stopped immediately until taking necessary considerations on the outside conditions and other technicality.

The 4th idea. If you want to be 100% safe from pushing nozzle out, the way to go is to use inflatable butt plug style of nozzle and restrain it with a rope or a paracord.

Note, that without additional restraints they are almost ineffective.

But be warned that done properly it holds perfectly and it can't be undone quickly. So it is the real danger!!!

On the other side there is a fun game with that device. The receiver can push the water out effectively to stop the flow, resisting the enema for some time.

So the receiver could be required to do so.

Be sure to use one-way valve in a tube, before such games. Or it will be a mess in the equipment.

For large volume and retention for me the double balloon never worked, first the balloon size alone takes up volume inside you, second it does not seal against the back of the muscle and thats why there is that 2nd bulb to pull the bulb in you against the rectum, so when i would start a fill i could never relax and rely on the balloons to seal me and they would always pop out. Now i use those cheap Miller Ez-Em inflatable tips and they seal me tightly and i can totally relax my rectal muscle and take large volumes with ease, i highly recommend you all try those nozzles. Down side they only last for maybe 8 to 10 or 15 enemas because they are meant for 1 time use only but they are amazing

I had a barium enema once, years ago, and they left me on the table completely filled to go develop the films. I had cramps & contractions so bad I thought I was going to push everything out on the table. The nozzle only has a single balloon, butt I'd like to find one of those nozzles.

One like this https://www.medtech3000.de/Ballondarmrohr-Ballon-Darmrohr-mit-Silikonballon::6.html? I believe those are called Miller cuffs.

Success!

I was given a little Glycerin and a Milk and Molasses Enema - that I successfully held for 10 minutes. (Crying and whimpering the entire time)

He pumped the inner balloon to 9 pumps and it worked like a charm. He also shot the Glycerin first and use it as lube. (He's VERY mean.)

But, It worked. I could not push it out.

Thanks everyone for your advice!