Naked boys and dressed women

If boys were allowed to see girls naked in the same way would they be so turned on? Maybe it's a conspiracy to make us want them so,😈

A little anthropological aside here, but pertinent to the quote above.

Back in the day, say more than century and a half ago when anthropologists making their way across African tribal regions was still a favorably looked upon scientific endeavor, it was remarked upon that because of the hot African climate and the near total nudity that the inhabitants went about in, it seemed that villagers often needed to organize social activities, say group dances or other rituals, that were expressly designed to sexually arouse people.

The theory being that constant exposure to total nudity in these societies, members needed an impetus provided for by group rituals such as drinking, (lewd) dancing etc that jump-started sexual arousal. Nudity alone wasn't enough since everyone was accustomed to being naked in front of both genders.

When I was in college I went to spend a weekend with my friend at his girlfriends school. We ended up sleeping in her dorm room (which would have gotten her expelled if we had been found !). The next morning my friend and I went take a shower after his girlfriend had made sure the coast was clear. We were in an open bay shower room with two heads showering when we realized that word had got out that there were two guys naked in the shower! It became an endless progression of girls "accidentally" walking in the room to check us out! We made sure to give them a good show!

Visited a local college last weekend and experienced my first combined or is it non-binary these days toilets? All signs just had a male and female shape no words and inside separate cubicles each with a wash hand basin mirror and dryer; outside the cubicles nothing else. I imagine shy people would struggle a bit to get used to that - oh and the cubicle walls went right to the ceiling so no peeping over the top!

Visited a local college last weekend and experienced my first combined or is it non-binary these days toilets? All signs just had a male and female shape no words and inside separate cubicles each with a wash hand basin mirror and dryer; outside the cubicles nothing else. I imagine shy people would struggle a bit to get used to that - oh and the cubicle walls went right to the ceiling so no peeping over the top!

Truly the world might be simpler if there were only one type of public toilet. No more ridiculous hysteria and hateful proposed legislation concerning LGBT people anymore ...

Truly the world might be simpler if there were only one type of public toilet. No more ridiculous hysteria and hateful proposed legislation concerning LGBT people anymore ...

People wouldn't be afraid of Janet Jackson's boob and Naked And Afraid would actually be naked?

I went through something similar when I was 12 years old. When we visited my aunt in summer, my mother stripped me down to my underwear in front of my aunt and her daughter of the same age before washing me in the bathroom. I was red with embarrassment. While my mother and aunt were laughing at this situation, my cousin asked, "Auntie, won't you take off his briefs?" If I hadn't run to the bathroom, maybe my mom would have done that too. The privacy of boys is not important to any female, young or mature.

The privacy of boys is not important to any female, young or mature.

Accurate observation. I think girls learn that boy nudity is treated differently than girl nudity. I remember the stories of my schoolmates boys who had younger sisters. When they were ashamed of being naked in front of their sister, their parents reprimanded them. The boy was taught not to be ashamed of his sister. At the same time, the sister learned that the boy has no right to be ashamed of nakedness.

I always felt embarrassed and somewhat humiliated when I was (had to be) naked in front of my foster aunt and she knew it. I would cover my young penis with my hands and be told very firmly by her "Don't do that. Hands by your sides (or) on your head. I'm the one who does the touching"!

And she DID.

What a difference between countries. I just spent a week in the hospital. On the second day they took away my underwear leaving me in that gown like a skirt split down the back. When lying in bed if I bent my knees it would leave my lower half fully exposed when I dropped my legs. On the third night my night nurse came in and with a big smile said "I know you, you're the crossing guard on the corner I go around every morning taking my kids to school." I think she was from Russia. Unlike our doctors and NPs here who seem to ashamed to look at male parts and certainly don't want to touch them, she was perfectly comfortable almost studying my parts.

She left to finish her rounds and several people came in to get me set up in bed for the night all working around my upper body with my "skirt" pulled up. She came back while they were still doing their thing and just stood back out of the way waiting. I saw her there looking intently almost studying my exposed parts. We talked for a while and she would move her gaze to my goodies and back to my face while we talked. No quickie peeks just looking at them and back up to my face as she felt like. It was heaven for me being with a woman who felt that free to look me over as she wanted.

I had called for a nurse because I needed to pee and wanted the urinal bottle so she lifted the head of the bed and I discovered she had already put it in place while waiting for the others to finish and when I checked she had put my hose in the bottle too which I never felt. It was amazing having a care giver who felt that comfortable touching me and looking at me. She came back a couple times to collect my pee before her shift ended. I told her I'll be looking for her when I get back on my corner and to let me know when she comes by. Now she's seen ALL of the crossing guard.

@agracier

Truly the world might be simpler if there were only one type of public toilet ...

There are quite some examples of that in history. In the "Roman" ages there was only one type of public toilet. the different toilets weren't even separated from one another and the places were used to talk with one another. That went away for one or another reason.

What I do see is that people in the current era are much more prudish than, let's say, 60 - 20 years ago. Have a look at the late sixties (the sexual revolution) ... if you would behave the same at this moment, you would be put in prison immediately ...

That seems to have been only a period of time though, because, as you do mention, it is a fact that girls haven't been naked as often 'in public' as boys, at least to my experience (which isn't a reference at all) ... But both within family as well as public environments (such as 'the beach') I remember there wasn't an issue at all if children played naked on the beach, and I still don't have an issue with it. In medical environments, it was (and still is to my feeling) a fact that males are more easily put naked then females and I did experience that in quite some occasions. Currently that is again disappearing because from time to time, I had the impression that certain doctors don't even ask us anymore to take off our shirt to monitor the heartbeat or listen to the lungs ... which I don't understand.

What I do see is that people in the current era are much more prudish than, let's say, 60 - 20 years ago. Have a look at the late sixties (the sexual revolution) ... if you would behave the same at this moment, you would be put in prison immediately ...

Pretty much correct. Whenever I peruse through old issues of 1970s Dutch sex magazines (which I can read as opposed to say Swedish/Danish mags of the same period) , it is not so much the imagery that would shock modern day readers, but the text stories, accounts, memoirs and often enough the editorials and the assumptions they expressed and advocated. This isn't to say that everyone was in agreement with the sexual ideas in these publications. But they were openly sold and available everywhere without any hysteria or much opposition.

Nowadays publications wouldn't be able to get away with what was published back then. And certainly not how they were openly sold as a matter of fact in stores and newsstands.

I never had much of a CFNM experience that I can recall but oh boy I'd like to have had one! Or more!! I think I would have been in my 20s with just a little confidence & experience but not enough to stop me being nervous. My ideal woman in this scenario would perhaps be in her 40s, curvy & wearing a tight fitting top, a knee length shiny leather skirt, seamed stockings & very high pencil thin heels. Tight fitting shiny patent boots or shoes, either would work. In short a woman of some considerable authority who looked the part. Not necessarily thinking of a medical scenario here, maybe a lawyers office or college principal...naturally I would have been ordered to strip naked whereupon she would give my painfully hard erection an expert handjob while talking dirty to me & maybe concluding by removing her top & making me cum between her breasts after which I would be scolded & ordered to clean up my mess!

I've been repairing and conserving some early children's books recently and started to read some of them. These books were written in the 1930s and 40s by Arthur Ransome and I noticed an attitude in them regarding boys vs. girls. Now I'm not saying anything explicitly sexual is in them and certainly like most stories no one ever needs the toilet but it does I think illustrate the different attitudes to boys and girls privacy at the time. The children in the stories are allowed to go camping by themselves in the country (how times have changed). During these adventures when the children change into swim wear, pajamas or day clothes the girls always seem to have privacy. But if a boy falls in a stream or lake or otherwise gets wet his older sister will make him get out of his wet things. In one book a boy strips and washes in a stream then goes back to the hut he is sharing with his sister to get dressed but his sister has got washed and dressed in privacy. Then again in another when a storm threatens the tents and campsite during the night the eldest boy removes his pajamas and goes out naked to tighten all the guy ropes of all the boys and girls tents.

I'm not saying anything of this was intended to be sexual but I do think it reflects the attitudes of the era. Some of these books are first editions and all are early prints and I'm sure many changes will have been made to modern re-prints, which on a personal note, I think is wrong.

A little anthropological aside here, but pertinent to the quote above.

Back in the day, say more than century and a half ago when anthropologists making their way across African tribal regions was still a favorably looked upon scientific endeavor, it was remarked upon that because of the hot African climate and the near total nudity that the inhabitants went about in, it seemed that villagers often needed to organize social activities, say group dances or other rituals, that were expressly designed to sexually arouse people.

The theory being that constant exposure to total nudity in these societies, members needed an impetus provided for by group rituals such as drinking, (lewd) dancing etc that jump-started sexual arousal. Nudity alone wasn't enough since everyone was accustomed to being naked in front of both genders.

Agracier- that makes perfect sense, actually. Once you've already seen everything, every single day, it no longer means anything. This is in sharp contrast to more temperate regions where it's actually comfortable / bearable to wear clothes, and open nudity can be savored as a special treat.

An oft-stated goal of dedicated lifestyle nudists is to de-eroticize and de-sexualize nudity entirely. One has to ask- would that actually be a good thing? I'm not so sure.

When I was in college I went to spend a weekend with my friend at his girlfriends school. We ended up sleeping in her dorm room (which would have gotten her expelled if we had been found !). The next morning my friend and I went take a shower after his girlfriend had made sure the coast was clear. We were in an open bay shower room with two heads showering when we realized that word had got out that there were two guys naked in the shower! It became an endless progression of girls "accidentally" walking in the room to check us out! We made sure to give them a good show!

So... what exactly did you guys do to give the ladies a good show? Inquiring minds want to know!

Agracier- that makes perfect sense, actually. Once you've already seen everything, every single day, it no longer means anything. This is in sharp contrast to more temperate regions where it's actually comfortable / bearable to wear clothes, and open nudity can be savored as a special treat.

An oft-stated goal of dedicated lifestyle nudists is to de-eroticize and de-sexualize nudity entirely. One has to ask- would that actually be a good thing? I'm not so sure.

To be candid, I really don't believe that the goal of a nudist life-style is to de-eroticize nudity. I think that is often stated in nudist publications or by spokespeople as a sop to public opinion.

I can say that whenever I visit or stay at a nudist beach/resort, I feel a distinct sexual stirring and flow through my body. Not by walking around with a full erection of course (ha ha), but by the imagining that goes on in my mind about the people I see and my appreciation and fantasizing. I also see quite a lot of sex preening to tell the truth. People who adopt deliberately suggestive poses and stances on the beach, legs spread wide, hands behind the head or together in groups where you can see eyes wandering high and low, checking out other's attributes. It's quite fun to observe on its own merit actually and in my book indicates a heightened sense of sexual awareness.

And I cannot state what happens at night when nudist visitors retire to their rented apartments or Airbnb's but I suspect more frequent coitizing (Sheldon Cooper's term ... ha ha) than at home.

To be candid, I really don't believe that the goal of a nudist life-style is to de-eroticize nudity. I think that is often stated in nudist publications or by spokespeople as a sop to public opinion.

I can say that whenever I visit or stay at a nudist beach/resort, I feel a distinct sexual stirring and flow through my body. Not by walking around with a full erection of course (ha ha), but by the imagining that goes on in my mind about the people I see and my appreciation and fantasizing. I also see quite a lot of sex preening to tell the truth. People who adopt deliberately suggestive poses and stances on the beach, legs spread wide, hands behind the head or together in groups where you can see eyes wandering high and low, checking out other's attributes. It's quite fun to observe on its own merit actually and in my book indicates a heightened sense of sexual awareness.

And I cannot state what happens at night when nudist visitors retire to their rented apartments or Airbnb's but I suspect more frequent coitizing (Sheldon Cooper's term ... ha ha) than at home.

Once again, everything you said makes total sense. I often feel that both practicing nudists and nudism advocates who try to completely sanitize and / or neuter the whole thing are either being duplicitous, or are in deep denial.

Looking back, one has to wonder just how much sexual tension there was simmering just below the surface at all those nude male swim meets, nude or nearly nude group male physicals, co-ed skinny dips, and nudist colony beauty contests back in the "good old days".

Looking back, one has to wonder just how much sexual tension there was simmering just below the surface at all those nude male swim meets, nude or nearly nude group male physicals, co-ed skinny dips, and nudist colony beauty contests back in the "good old days".

I bet there was a whole lot of sexual tension experienced by attendees, but just never openly displayed. I suppose the sexual tension was something that was present at such occasions but also not discussed or mentioned.

Perhaps the tension might become evident later at home, in the conjugal bed with some more frequent fornicating going on as a result of attending such events. Bt I doubt anyone would openly mention this. There would be all kinds of opinion window dressing about healthy this or that or team building spirit and what not.

But for the older attendees, I bet it got their juices flowing.

Back in the day, men were in charge of everything. Pre-sexual revolution, the Victorian attitude about women and sex was still very prevalent- Ie that ‘good’ women weren’t particularly sexual. They either didn’t like sex, or if they did it was because of the emotional attachment to their partner - the old ‘men give love to get sex, women give sex to get love’.

Good upstanding women certainly didn’t get sexual thoughts seeing strapping young, healthy, teenaged boys naked. Likewise little girls didn’t have impure thoughts at seeing nude boys - so it was perfectly acceptable for boys/men to be nude in front of women, but because of the dread sexual urges of the male the converse wasn’t true. No true male could restrain himself! He’d rape her on the spot!

Bullshit

BTW, when we talk about Rape Culture, this is a manifestation of it - the idea women are pure and men can’t restrain themselves. It’s why some Muslim women are in purdah.

Is a man’s sex drive stronger? Probably but not so strong he can’t resist the urge to jump on a woman. The idea that he can’t gives tacit approval of his doing so - he couldn’t help himself - and probably is part of the ‘creeping prudery’ @agracier talks about.

Sorry to veer OT a little. It’s a very interesting thread and I’ve enjoyed reading it.

@agracier There are quite some examples of that in history. In the "Roman" ages there was only one type of public toilet. the different toilets weren't even separated from one another and the places were used to talk with one another. That went away for one or another reason.

Yah but they also shared a sponge soaked in vinegar to wipe their asses with after, so maybe we don’t want to use that as our exemplar…🤣🤣🤣🤣

I bet there was a whole lot of sexual tension experienced by attendees, but just never openly displayed. I suppose the sexual tension was something that was forward to at such occasion but also not discussed or mentioned.

Perhaps the tension might become evident later at home, in the conjugal bed with some more frequent fornicating going on as a result of attending such events. Bt I doubt anyone would openly mention this. There would be all kinds of opinion window dressing about healthy this or that or team building spirit and what not.

But for the older attendees, I bet it got their juices flowing.

Many years back, I was a member of the nudist lifestyle websites Purenudism and Enature. In addition to the standard nude recreational and social activities, many of the nudist clubs of France and Eastern Europe are also known for informal beauty pageants that they hold for their female members.

Now... everyone there was supposedly already well accustomed to the nudist lifestyle. However- when the Teen Miss portion of the pageant was underway, the giant shit-eating grins and looks of awe and wonder on most of the younger male attendees' faces told a slightly different story.

The gal who eventually won that contest wasn't just walking down the path- she was almost strutting. Not only that, but while the other girls had shy and demure smiles, she was sporting a slightly mischievous smirk nearly the whole time she was up there. She always stood "at attention", even when she was casually mingling with others or just waiting her turn in line.

Yah but they also shared a sponge soaked in vinegar to wipe their asses with after, so maybe we don’t want to use that as our exemplar…🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yuk! I can't even imagine using the same sponge that was used to clean three dozen other strangers' sweaty, pimply, skidmarked, bloody hemorrhoid asses. Absolutely revolting.

Public health and personal hygiene have both come a loooong way since then.

In medical situations, this seems to be even more commonplace, unlike so many of the "good old days" topics here. As the gender mix of new doctors shifts steadily from men toward women, it's much more common now for a boy's pediatrician or family doctor to be a woman than it was a few decades ago when I was a teen. Of the videos on YouTube where an older boy is given a genital exam in front of the parent (who is recording the video), the doctor is basically always a woman. So while guys my age generally were seen naked in our teens only by our mothers if by any women at all, teen guys today, while often handed off to their dads to accompany them to their well exams, tend to be seen naked by a female doctor.

Yah but they also shared a sponge soaked in vinegar to wipe their asses with after, so maybe we don’t want to use that as our exemplar…🤣🤣🤣🤣

That was the Romans, but it was/is better than using a left hand ... ha ha ha

For me it was a pre-university physical exam at age 18 conducted by a female Occupational Health Nurse. I started off with a gown, though she was quite clear that I should remove all my clothes and leave the gown untied! I was extremely embarrassed and when she had me walk across the room to get my weight and height, I tried to clutch the back of the gown, which does make for a very undignified walk! On the scales she told me to put my hands at my sides and needless to say the gown opened exposing my bare buttocks! As I walked back to the exam couch I clutched the back of the gown again, silly really as she'd already seen my backside and was about to see much more! When I got back to the couch she told me to take my arms out of the gown so that she could listen to my chest, she also checked my blood pressure at this point, which I'm sure was through the roof! She then checked my eyes, ears, nose and throat and had me lay down to examine my abdomen, for this she pulled the gown down to my hips which exposed a small amount of my pubic hair, I was mortified!! She then examined the strength in my legs and had me push each foot against her hand, as I did this I could feel the cool air on my genitals, and could see her glancing at them! She then told me to stand and I went to put the gown back on, but she said that won't be necessary, so their I was totally naked, as she grabbed a small stool on wheels and sat opposite me. She felt the whole shaft of the penis and retracted the foreskin to look under the corona, commenting that she was pleased to see I practiced good hygiene! I went three shades of red when she said this! She then proceeded to examine each testicle and for the hernia test she placed her finger in the top fold of the scrotum and told me to bear down! This was all followed by having me on all fours on the exam couch with an angled lamp putting a spotlight right on my anus! It seemed like she was looking at it and poking at for the longest time, though it was probably only seconds, she then put some gel on the anus and told me to bear down again, as she felt the rectal wall and the prostate, commenting that all was clear, she also told me to tighten my anus on her finger as she wanted to examine my sphincter tone!! After this final indignity I went to get my clothes, but the ordeal hadn't ended! She then had me do some exercises in front of her, including squats and running on the spot!!! With this my humiliation was complete and she said I could get dressed! I checked with some other students who were examined by her and discovered that the females were able to keep their bra and underwear on! The only other male who was examined by her got to keep his underwear on and said he was disappointed that she didn't even take a peek!! I don't know why I was singled out for special treatment and I didn't tell the other students the extent of my exam! I was so embarrassed by it at the time, but often replay it in my head now!!

I get the idea in the past boys nudity just wasn't seen as something very private.

I know that when I was coming of age in the 1970s and early 1980s there seemed to be a double standard. Our primary caregiver at home was my aunt, who had no hesitation when it came to seeing me without clothes. She took me to doctors appointments, bared my bottom to spank me, and would come into the bathroom to chase me out of the shower if she thought I was taking too long. According to my sisters, however, my aunt would yell at my father--who was a medical doctor--if he didn't respect their privacy after they turned about 6.

My middle school had 1 female and 1 male gym teacher. When I was in 8th grade the male teacher was gone for a few weeks for some reason, so the female teacher took over the boys classes, which meant she was with us in the locker room, and the window on her office looked right into the showers. As someone said on an earlier post, if the roles had been reversed that male gym teacher probably would have been arrested and the principal fired.

It does seem things might have changed in this regard recently, but I don't really know.

@Gaz382 - you must have been hard as a rock!! I'm curious why you didn't describe that. And if you weren't erect - how is that even possible, man!

Hi MDausmic, I think I was too nervous and too shocked to get an erection, though after the prostate exam I was semi-erect, that seemed to be the moment she chose for me to do nude exercises!!

@Nurse_Phillips I think I remember that in Gone with the Wind the narrator explains that women were turned into nurses during the war, and that married women would be made to take care of men who had been severely wounded because their treatment would involve nudity, and this was not an issue because they knew what a naked man looked like, whereas unmarried women would treat lighter cases that did not involve nudity. So indeed, a married woman was supposed to be able to see naked men without feeling aroused; what was taboo was a younger woman learning things she was supposed to learn only on her wedding night.