Eroticism and control

Do people think this statement is true, care to explore the depth of meaning?

The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound. Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society. Giving to others, being controlled by them, and submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element.

@Chris_Parker Interesting concept - do you know where it came from, a reference or source???? I disagree with the “only hope for peace” part, but partially agree with the last sentence (some people have such a low self-worth that being dominated doesn't carry a sexual connotation or satisfaction).

As @Rigel said, it would be nice to have sources and references for this assumption. If it's a personal hypothesis rather than something you read somewhere else, though, I disagree with you. To me, bondage isn't the solution for peace. No. To me, EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM on this planet, small and huge, stems from one major flaw of humankind: the lack of global empathy. This about it: would there be racism, homophobia, wars, etc. (to only name a few world issues) if everybody cared for others (to some level, I mean – I'm not saying that each of us should forego our own survival instinct and only act toward the benefit of others). Too many people only care about themselves and those closest to them. They couldn't care less for others outside their own little circle. That is why global peace will NEVER be possible. That flaw is inherent to our species. It always has, and it always will. Thinking/hoping otherwise is just pipedreamish. You know, rainbows and unicorns.

It is attributed to William Moulton Marston.

Marston was a psychologist who lived in a polyamory relationship and practiced BDSM. He created the comic book character Wonder Woman, whose early articles featured reatraints and BDSM themes. His thoughts about world peace are heavily biased by his kink. I don’t take him seriously.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Moulton_Marston

Maybe he was too optimistic in his views, but does that make him less of a person? He gave us what eventually became the lie detector machine, DISC theory which predicts how a person will behave. His theories hold validity and are in use today and set in motion a better understanding of human behavior. I think if you look closely, he and his wives had a pretty good understanding not just of human behavior but also BDSM and how it plays out everyday in people's lives. I see how D & S plays out on a daily basis in the work environment and I have my own theory of what I call power dynamics. As far as polyamory relationship he had, more power to him as they made it work. I have seen people try and make it work and most often it fails but there are few that can actually make it work. I wonder how many men and woman if they study Marston can readily relate to this theories and the comic Wonder Woman. Maybe he was trying to remove stigmatization of gender defined roles and open people's minds to the possibility of a better world.

Can’t dispute that he did contribute, nor that his being in a successful polyamory relationship with dominant ovetones was wrong or discredits him. If I interpret his statement that he implies peace can only be achieved by teaching people who embrace force to enjoy being submissive (bound) I just don’t buy it. I don’t think that’s rational - it’s idealistic. I don’t believe that would have the effect he asserts. That’s what I don’t take seriouslly I should have been more clear

Same way I don’t believe religion provides world peace, which obviously has had the opposite effect. It breeds the same power it proposes to sedate

The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound... Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society...

I can't fault him for being an idealist, idealists do have there place in our world, often times they don't live to see the fruition of those ideals. Wonder Woman became a vehicle of opening people's minds to possibilities and unbeknownst to the readers they were learning about DISC theory. FWIW, shits and giggles, I took the DISC test, I came out as primarily dominant, balanced equally with the I and the S, and the C was only 10%.

I would say the flaw in the reasoning is: how to determine who will do the controlling? Any method chosen or implemented will probably end up with an elite number of humans who decide whom and how and when to control/bind others.

So we'd end up with something like a more controlling feudal society or a privileged nomenklatura like in the old Soviet Union but then taken to more extreme lengths.

Might be great if you're one of the lucky ones doing the controlling. Otherwise far less so.

Giving to others, being controlled by them, and submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element.

There doesn't have to be an erotic element to have one submit. They submit because of personal reasons, religious, and societal up bringing. The belief, for certain people, that a woman should be seen and not heard. To keep them under control or to keep the one in control elevated and feeling in their position of superiority.

@MissStress that is covered in Marston's DISC theory, it is the letter "C" for compliance. Think of it as willing submission versus forced submission. Maybe google explanations of DISC theory, some of it is dry reading but there are some easier to understand explanations.

@MissStress that is covered in Marston's DISC theory, it is the letter "C" for compliance. Think of it as willing submission versus forced submission. Maybe google explanations of DISC theory, some of it is dry reading but there are some easier to understand explanations.

It still doesn't need to have or involve a sexual component. I know of a couple local families who have a relationship with submission involved. As one is the son of the “Dom” figure and others are blood relation there is nothing sexual. Their relationship is about the “Dom” figure being in charge, with the power to pull their strings and be in control of others and their lives. All while looking important and supposedly invaluable to the others daily lives and well being.

I like the answer MissStres gave my wife and I were 50% each several yrs ago but when I became incontinent and she had me go into diapers.The whole picture changed she is somewhat younger the set up is more like 70% to 30% now.There is no spanking or rough stuff but know my place now.

CRAZINESS

The only hope for peace is to teach people who are full of pep and unbound force to enjoy being bound. Only when the control of self by others is more pleasant than the unbound assertion of self in human relationships can we hope for a stable, peaceful human society. Giving to others, being controlled by them, and submitting to other people cannot possibly be enjoyable without a strong erotic element.

There is nothing on “control of self by others” that makes me think it is a necessity for stability & peaceful society. We can say a lot of things but until they are put to the tests it cannot be offered as proof. People who like controlling others would most likely hope we will believe that so that they can control us. I think it has been proven that where people do not share in equality there is no real peace or harmony.

Next, submitting to others can be enjoyable without “a strong erotic element.“ some people do like to submit & don’t care to be in control as control comes with a hefty packagepp to handle all. The submission can be enjoyable when it is chosen. Thus it can be “possible.” Finally, most likely there are any number of people who can “enjoy” submitting “without a strong erotic element.” People into eroticism may need it but those who do not participate in eroticism will do it without eroticism.

Ok. What do you think? Did I succeed ? ( I think I’m on the verge of a headache from doing this but, somehow I felt it needed doing. I wasn’t sure anyone else would tackle it. LoL.

Warm water on the way! 👱‍♀️

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The number of people who enjoy being controlled by others (by being bound, ordered to do anything, or in any other manner) is small compared to those who prize personal liberty, so the statement is far from true.

Frankly, as long as people are people, there will be discontent with others and themselves. Crime and war are inevitable. But I'd love to be proven wrong.

A lot of interesting views but , in my case, the domination of a Female led household ,which I crave and also which will never happen, would have to be erotic.

That is to say , I would have to find the actual punishments, though possibly very painful, were erotic pain . In my case enema or corporal punishment based. Our relationship would decline very quickly if I were sentenced to writing lines for an infringement.