Geriatric medicine enema post

This is a problem? Sounds like me in a few years….

https://www.jgmh.org/article.asp?issn=2348-9995;year=2015;volume=2;issue=1;spage=60;epage=62;aulast=De

The report starts off with - “A 66-year-old married retired engineer was brought by his wife to the outpatient clinic with chief complaints of wanting her to unnecessarily administer an enema to him daily for no reason and at odd hours like the afternoon and sometimes in the middle of the night.”

Maybe for the shrinks…not for me (us?)!!! Given the fact the the case study was from 2015, and other than Danko"s seminal (lol) research around 2012(?) there has been nothing that pops up (again, lol!) in the APA journal I say: there is no problem, that lots of folks are missing the boat, and, in the words of Auntie Mame's sister in the classic film “Auntie Mame", “To hell with it, let it spread!!!”

They gave this guy an MRI and a Mental State Exam to rule out dementia that could have contributed to hypersexuality. Really, while in a sexless marriage??? His wife dragged him to the doctor.

His wife no longer was interested in sex, he found a new pleasure to relieve sexual tension……maybe the frequency was a bit much, but I really don't see a big issue other than enemas are not an accepted “paraphilia”. They convinced him it was abnormal and both he and his wife were “pyschoeducated” about sex after 60.

I think his wife had more of a problem than he did!

I know it sounds crazy but when I used to take my mom lunch all the time at a nursing home the Alzheimer's at night they called it sundowners where they were more active at night they were more sexually active too it was kind of funny.

A few years back they had some STI outbreaks at old folks homes so they started to provide condoms.

Well, that is just the Joanne D. Denko article from back in the ‘70s, requoted under somebody else’s name.

This topic seems somewhat related to the thread regarding “Did Mom Know the Psychological Impact…?”

Klismaphilia is covered in many of the texts regarding “Abnormal Sexual Behavior”. The texts often make reference to Denko's study. The interesting thing is that no one has come up with any corrective method of dealing with this “abnormal sexual behavior”. Typical psychological methods seem to be incapable of altering our enjoyment of this simple pleasure and procedure.

Aversion therapy isn't likely to alter my lifelong attraction to all things enema related. It is unfortunate that many seem to think that enjoyment of an enema is so perverted and make efforts to alter this practice.

I do recall a published physician who once stated, and I paraphrase, “Many elderly people believe the enema has magical virtues”! I suppose I am one of them.

The REAL problem may be the psychologists and what they define as “norm;” and what is a perversion.

I can well remember when taking any recreational drug was taboo; now it's all but normal in some circles.

Some shrinks would consider being a Trump supporter abnormal; others the same of Biden supporters.

Some moral authorities considered masturbation a mortal sin; others consider it normal.

In truth it doesn't matter what what such authorities say, as long as they don't try and impose their opinions, and they are just opinions, on others. Also, such moral authorities are quite likely to engage in the behavior they decry.

YMMV

It only becomes a “Sexual disorder” when there are non-consenting persons (Children are considered non-consenting) are pressured to do it, and not given an “out” before the start

If the shrinks didn't have paraphelias to define, categorize, treat and publish about: what would they do with themselves? Never mind, sorry I asked.

Understand that this is from India and is undated.

We don't know when it was written.

Anyone who thinks old ideas die hard here should look at India.

“Pyschoeducated?” Now that is a loaded term.

“Pyschoeducation” is another BS term invented by the pyschobableists to justify their existence. They claim it is evidence based - but where is the evidence of that???

“Psychoeducation is an evidence-based therapeutic intervention for patients and their loved ones that provides information and support to better understand and cope with illness. Psychoeducation is most often associated with serious mental illness, including dementia, schizophrenia, clinical depression, anxiety disorders, psychotic illnesses, eating disorders, personality disorders and autism, although the term has also been used for programs that address physical illnesses, such as cancer.[1][2]”

The Denko study was never duplicated or peer reviewed.

You can only put very minimal stock in something not duplicated or peer reviewed.

That has to happen before it becomes science!!

What year was this couple “psychosexually re-educated?“ Perhaps I need to call these shrinks and turn myself in because I’m turning 70 in 22 days, and it‘s pretty well known here that I have 5-6 more or less lifelong kinks or fetishes which I practice(d) frequently up till my divorce in 2010 (along with my very joyfully cooperative, apparently deviant wives or GFs). Now I practice them solo which helps my aging orgasms and ED, same joys except for missing my partner. Perhaps a plea bargain could be negotiated down to just probation, if I volunteer to conduct public lectures or counseling sessions to ”educate“ the public and patients about the evils of sex after 60 and the perversity of enjoying rubber clothes, sneakers, anal sex, buttplugs, inflatable enema catheters, enemas, Dom(me)/sub relationships and M/m bondage privately at home. Might need a crack defense attorney too, specializing in non-exhibitionistic sexual deviant behavior. Good Lord I think I’m getting a whiff of my partner’s perfume, “Supreme Courting.”

Eric

I just want to read the case studies.

Understand that this is from India and is undated.

We don't know when it was written.

Anyone who thinks old ideas die hard here should look at India.

@LisaK,

It’s published in mid-2015. I didn’t notice that they specified when the actual patient visits started. Quoted references run from about 1973 to 2014. Yes it’s from India, which makes me wonder how much of a social or societal bias or component enters into these psychiatrists‘ practice of convincing their patient and spouse that his sexually stimulating enemas are abnormal or so dangerous to require a psychiatric effort at “cure.” They stated he “didn’t mind“ coming to ask for help, but earlier stated he was very reluctant to admit it was abnormal and to stop taking the enemas.

They also stated the couple was advised as to how to have a satisfying “NORMAL”(???) after-60 sex life, but not that the couple actually ever started having non-enema sex again, which the wife had lost interest in many months before the enemas started. The whole article was poorly written and documented and subject to major doubt and criticism. I’m a retired US physician, and I’d like to see these docs and their patients appear before an audience and defend their practice and methods. I’d also like them to bring their spouses and let the audience discover how ”normal” and satisfying their own sex lives are. I’m not holding my breath. Very high BS meter reading here.

Eric, MD