Colonic irrigation vs high colon lavage

This might be in the wrong spot for the question, but may I ask ever so humbly .... Why is it, (it seems to me)... That colonic irrigation is so negatively regarded here in our fine group, when high colon lavage in both water volumes and long colon tube insertions, is not ?

I have had many of both the colonics and the enemas for many a year, and I have not suffered negative results from either.

Is it the commercialization of the colonics that is the issue here?

Hi OA, I'm not sure how you got the impression that colonic irrigations are regarded negatively here. I think the majority of the discussions about colonics are quite quite positive. Perhaps there is SO much enthusiasm here for regular enemas (if there is such a thing as a "regular" enema) that some find the expense unnecessary and clinical nature of the procedure less than satisfying. I personally love them but haven't indulged in paying for a colonic in a long time. I am somewhat negative about open system colonics as I can have a much better experience with a bag in the privacy of my home.

The displeasure of some members' posts here about commercial colonics I think may stem from the cost, the promotion of multiple unsubstantiated or fraudulent health benefits to continue or improve sales and profit, and to some extent the dislike of open systems rather than the preferred closed systems. I've stopped doing them just because of cost, but having had about 15-20 of them over the years from about 1976-2005, I really loved them, almost all on closed systems, including insertion of a wide bore, long speculum/pipe, the fairly rapid fill rates and multiple large volumes administered, and the effortless "no-mess" evacuations not requiring the usual pushing which to me felt like there was a mild passive or active suction on the water column.

One other possible colonic complaint from some might be the strictly clinical setting, so that any sexual feelings from the colonic and/or actual masturbation would need to be hidden or reserved for after the colonic, either in the facility rest room or later on at home.

Eric

This might be in the wrong spot for the question, but may I ask ever so humbly .... Why is it, (it seems to me)... That colonic irrigation is so negatively regarded here in our fine group, when high colon lavage in both water volumes and long colon tube insertions, is not ?

I have had many of both the colonics and the enemas for many a year, and I have not suffered negative results from either.

Is it the commercialization of the colonics that is the issue here?

1--When we have our enemas, we do it for fun. Very few of us lie and say we do it for health reasons.

2-- Colon "therapists" and I use that term very loosely, LIE and tell their clients how much healthier they will be, that it will clear out the mucus from their colons (you are supposed to have mucus lining your colon), They lie about mucoid plaques in the colon that gastroenterologists have NEVER seen on examination. By and large 99% of colon "therapists" are getting their income from enema fetishists (covert or not) which I don't find fault with, but they will lie to you about giving you health benefits, which I do find fault with. I think saying colon "therapists" are dishonest about what they can do for your health sums it up pretty well.

By the way, if you do a google scholar search you will see there is no such thing as mucoid plaques. There are arterial atherosclerotic plaques and plaque bacteria on teeth, but no mucoid plaques in the large intestine.

SEE THIS ACCORDING TO WIKIPEDIA:

Mucoid plaque is a pseudoscientific term used by some alternative medicine advocates to describe what is claimed to be a combination of harmful mucus-like material and food residue that they say coats the gastrointestinal tract of most people. The term was coined by Richard Anderson, a naturopath and entrepreneur, who sells a range of products that claim to "cleanse" the body of such purported plaques.[1]

Many such "colon cleansing" products are promoted to the public on websites that have been described as making misleading medical claims.[2] The presence of laxatives, bentonite clay, and fibrous thickening agents in some of these "cleansing agents" has led to suggestions that the products themselves produce the excreted matter regarded as the plaque.[2][3] The concept of a 'mucoid plaque' has been dismissed by medical experts as having no anatomical or physiological basis.[4][5][6]

The colonic mucosa is completely renewed every 4 DAYS, so there isn't even anything for those supposed plaques to hold on to.

The colonic mucosa is completely renewed every 4 DAYS, so there isn't even anything for those supposed plaques to hold on to.

Thank you SwitchableSusie for the response to my query.

I came to know a therapist a few years back around 2005, who stated many things similar to what you refer ... and made shame of any reference of pleasure as well.

She was selling her services & wares like you note... and I was quite turned off after that experience to ever getting another "Professional Colonic" from ANYone ever again.

On the other hand, I will never forget the little old woman (a nurse) turned doctor...(yes, really)...who 40 years back, introduced me to the 1st colonic irrigation I was to ever experience. She was gentle, kind, passionate about the benefit of the procedure as she administered it, yet, she did not sell ANYthing about it as snake oil and did not have extra products to sell either. She really left an impression, a positive one.

I left there knowing she simply cared and provided what it was she had to offer, with no other claims or intents.

She had those beautiful old cylindrical hand blown glass vessels shaped like giant funnels that held 3 quarts each, suspended on a metal framing.

She would add to one, as the other slowly drained and alternate warm/cool water as well as soap and rinsing in the procedure.

She was old school and practiced a "lost art" (to not be found today) in the strong marketing/high profit business you speak of being pushed today.

I returned from time to time over 5-6 years and she eventually closed up services (as she was quite old then) in the early to mid 80's.

Sadly, no one any longer exists like her these days. We have our friends here on Zity now.

I just did a 4 qt enema for the first time. Wow...it wasn't that hard to take, and the release is intense!

Colonic irrigation seems to involve the use of a machine like the Toxygen, Dotolo, Aquanet or other machine while colonic lavage uses an ordinary bag arrangement giving repeated enemas and expulsions.

The end result is essentially the same.

As Susie said, colonic irrigation for colon health is a bunch of hooey! I have done this several times (for several years I had a very attractive colon hydrotherapist as a client, and got a big discount). She never made the wild claims about curing everything, giving more energy, strengthening the immune system, etc. She DID say it will clean out your colon very well, and that most found it relaxing. I will attest to having achieved both benefits in those sessions. The atmosphere was relaxing: soft new age music and incense set the mood. I must admit that seeing my colon contents passing out through the clear exhaust tubing was fascinating. She used a Toxygen machine and pumped 10-15 gallons of treated water thru me. Also, she would dissolve additives into the water if requested. Sadly, she left the state when our overzealous (and perhaps corrupt) state legislature required that a physician had to do an exam and write a Rx for the treatments. (Thank you, AMA, for protecting us from ourselves!) They further forbid using anything but filtered water, with nothing added. Bottom line for me: a colonic is no better than an enema series for the benefits to your colon; but the experience was a good one.

I have been going for colonics, colonic irrigation, for the last fourteen years. I have been two ladies regularly (at least once a month) and others between times. None have ever claimed anything for the treatment or tried to sell me anything. All I know is that I feel brilliant and every one I meet tells me how young (aged 63) I I look, And with no rubbish inside sex has never been so good.

I myself have never had a colonic irrigation but have always been curious. Around where I live there aren't any providers of this service. Someday I hope that changes

I had a colonic irrigation many years ago and barely felt it. Perhaps that was considered a plus by the lady administering it, but I was disappointed, after having taken many enemas over the years. I understand that they want it to be as decent as possible for their clientele and that the benefits are healthy and not sexual, but I was still somehow disappointed (though perhaps from an irrational perspective). Nevertheless, I won't spend more money on them, as I greatly prefer enemas instead.

I had a co-worker at my former agency who absolutely swore by colonics. On the days she was scheduled to go to her appointment she was downright giddy! I've always had a curiosity about being on the receiving end of a colonic, but I've never really wanted to fork over nearly $100 (and have to sit through the sales pitch of why I'd need six sessions or more). Besides, enjoying an enema and getting the "additional benefits" didn't cost me anything other than the equipment and the time. And it's always been a case of time well spent!

Deb

I loved taking commercial colonics in the past for several reasons, including the feeling of penetration by the large diameter, relatively long speculum through my anus, the long slow or occasionally rapid fills, long retentions of very large volumes, and the feeling of having the enema volume almost gently sucked out of me with no need for me to push it out (at least with closed systems).

I don't do them anymore because of cost and distance, but the 4-5 quart homemade enemas I do to myself or previously had my Domme ex do to me are extremely satisfying for similar reasons, and I can enjoy holding them as long as I like, usually 1/2-1 hour of 4 quarts until I build up to an orgasm.

Eric

My beloved colon hydrotherapist has temporarily suspended her practice. Her husband is a "senior" and her main job is running a care home. So no colonics for me for at least twelve weeks. There are other ladies around here, but I really don't want to go to them. I can home treat, and my beautiful lady has no problem with me having early morning loo time while she sleeps, but I miss Sue horribly.

All colonic hydrotherapists in the UK must now stop work due to CONIV-19. Contact between a therapist and a client to cleanse their bowels, with all the benefits including improvement to the immune system, are deemed not to be essential. Uuumm.

All colonic hydrotherapists in the UK must now stop work due to CONIV-19. Contact between a therapist and a client to cleanse their bowels, with all the benefits including improvement to the immune system, are deemed not to be essential. Uuumm.

Enemas and colonics do NOT improve the immune system.

Those places SHOULD be closed. So should massage parlors.

@SwitchableSusie

I don't seriously dispute your belief that most medical claims for colonic irrigation are questionable at best, but they do have benefits.

For people that are stressed out in the modern world, during a colonic the client is pretty much forced to relax for about an hour.

The relaxation is enhanced by the feelings of warm water flow on an open system, and it is almost like a sensory deprivation state. The lighting is usually subdued and the environment quiet and relaxing. I've dozed off while astride an Angel of Water. The fill and release is almost involuntary and effortless.

Closed system colonics require the presence of the therapist. A good one will try to relax the client as much as possible with gentle massage. In many ways a closed colonic session is much like a confessional experience. The fact that you are having such intimate things done to you tends to reduce emotional barriers and the therapists I've encountered are willing to talk about just about anything without common societal barriers. Would you talk frankly to essentially a stranger about pee or poo issues I know colon therapists have pretty much heard it all, and probably more.

In either situation above, the client is made to FEEL better, and placebo effects are real..

After a colonic irrigation, many therapists give a probiotic, either as a capsule or as a direct rectal implant. This is supposedly to reforest the colon after a thorough washout, which reduces the flora population. I find the rectal route works best and after a colonic and implant, my lower GI system functions much better for some weeks, long after any possible transit time effects have worn off.

MO

Enemas and colonics do NOT improve the immune system.

Those places SHOULD be closed. So should massage parlors.

So should chiropractor and legit massages! Anything that requires person to person contact should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. My wife goes to Physical Therapy at a chiropractic facility because it has a therapy pool. I called to cancel her appointments for a while and they tried to convince me that they have taken extra precautions and everything is safe. Gyms are closed and PT facilities are not much different.

I got a wax job a while back and got on the email list. Got notified around Tuesday that she was offering half-price brazilians on Saturday. I know business is hurting, but these guys are willing to put people at risk for some extra bucks.

My Doctor notified me it's time for my annual wellness check. She wants to do it on FaceTime to reduce contact - but if there is an urgent need we can schedule an in person visit. Review meds etc. I'll put off getting blood work done. Later when things settle down - we can do a follow up in person.

For people that are stressed out in the modern world, during a colonic the client is pretty much forced to relax for about an hour.

I'll buy it might be relaxing for you. To someone with an anal or enema fetish it would be.

There is no real health benefits. The theory that it helps remove plaque is a fairy tale.

Any other health benefits are also overstated. Just thinking about it gives me the shivers. To each their own

For people that are stressed out in the modern world, during a colonic the client is pretty much forced to relax for about an hour.

Massage, going to the gym, bicycling, running, walking, meditating, sewing, sex, driving fast cars ...... and on and on and on .... can be relaxing to certain individuals and some of those activities actually do have a health benefit!

I've read several postings on the Zity enema boards about colonics, and have come away with the impression that most of those posters were enthusiastic about colonics. I am not sure where the negative impression comes from.

Anyway, my first colonic was in Atlanta, by an man who looked to be in his 50s. He took me to the front room of his home-based business, and had me fill out a current state of health questionnaire, and a couple of other documents (probably a release form as well). He asked me if I had any knowledge of colonics. When I said I had a vague idea, he then told me about the process (his machine, tubing and speculum, how much water would be used, and the amount of time the procedure took). He might have explained the health 'benefits' of a colonic, but he didn't push any sales pitch. I told him I didn't feel well, and that I had very irregular bowel movements over a period of days. He then took me into a big room, which had a table in the middle of it, along with the machine to the side of it. The room had large windows, with the shades closed, but it was still very well lit.

He showed be to the bathroom adjacent to the colonic room, told me to strip completely, and put on the gown he handed me. I do so, and reenter the colonic room. I see he installed the tubing and speculum, and placed them on the table. He has me hop on the table, and lay down. He then instructs me to lay on my left side, with my knees drawn up towards my chest. He lubes the speculum, then my asshole, and inserts it. He then tells me to roll on my back, and bend my legs to a 90 degree angle, to put me in a more comfortable position to receive the onslaught of water.

Once my feet were firmly planted on the table top, he begins the flow of water. As the water is flowing, he moves the gown out of the way, so he can massage my distending belly. After I tell him I've full, he turns the valve on the hose, and I feel the water being released. He then begins to massage the right side of my belly, telling me he's working near the valve connecting the small and large intestine. As he does so, he pushes the gown up to my upper chest. At that point, I should have taken the gown off, as it was useless. I might as well been completely naked (and probably more comfortable). He then turned the valve, so the flow started again. The opening and closing of the valve was repeated several times, until he saw nothing else coming out of my colon.

When the water from the last fill cycle drained from me, he had me roll over to my left side, and pulled the speculum from my backside. . He then instructed me to go to the toilet, and release any remaining water and rub my belly in a clockwise, and counterclockwise motion. After that, I changed into my street clothes, and met him in the front room of the house. Since he was only open on weekdays, it would be tough to schedule another session (do to me being on military training status, I only had weekends off). Again, he doesn't give me a sales pitch, except for saying I was welcome back for another session. Unfortunately, that never happened.

@BigBagBoy

I have theory about your observation. It may draw a lot of flak, but FWIW:

Most all of the folks who come to this site view enemas, suppositories, catheters, etc as sex toys to enhance their sexual pleasure. There is no doubt that the feelings associated with a bag full of warm, soapy water can have powerful erotic appeal for some, possibly originating in childhood experiences. Some people just like water and/or a cock up their ass.

When someone who enjoys such feelings, having a colonic must be a real disappointment. A real therapist is NOT a sex worker. Their job is not to give the client a sexually arousing treatment. A legit therapist will never touch a client in any sexual way... not even a casual brush by. if a guy becomes erect, the therapist ignores it. This is no different than a legit nurse in a hospital giving a bag enema.. A legit therapist has only one goal... to completely clean all poo out of the client.

So, if you go to a colon therapist looking for a sexual experience you are certain to be disappointed, and disappointed clients give poor reviews. If you want to "get off"... go to a professional sex worker who gives enemas or other B&D play of your choice. They are out there.

If, on the other hand, you lead a high tress life, there is something wonderful about lying comfortably on the table, with a speculum in a most intimate place, being effortlessly filled and drained and having your tummy gently massaged. You don't have your cell phone or laptop. There is nothing to do but relax and poo.

Also, if you tend to be Dom or Domme, a colonic probably is not for you. Once the speculum is in you, you have absolutely lost control of your bowel. The therapist alone decided when and if you poo. You have no say in the matter. Period.

YMMV

Looking back ten weeks ago where I said:

Enemas and colonics do NOT improve the immune system.

Those places SHOULD be closed. So should massage parlors.

I was referring to their being closed as a preventive measure due to the peaks of the coronavirus pandemic, NOT that they shouldn't be allowed to exist once the pandemic is over.

I enjoy my closed system colonics a few times a year.

@SwitchableSusie

OK, that makes a lot more sense. I think colon hydrotherapists should be in the same category as nail salons and hair stylists. A long as both parties are gloved and masked, the risk isn't high. My therapists all have used gloves for many years anyway.