Turkish Bath

I am new here and thought I would post some experiences. When I went to Turkey on holiday, I decided to get a turkish bath.

It looked very respectable and a clean place. I paid 75 euros for a turkish bath.

A buxom Turkish lady of about 50 in a white nurses uniform came to get me and took me to a changing area. She showed me my locker to put my clothes in and told me to undress. I asked everything? And said yes, and added pants too. She then leaves.

So I take everything off and lock the door. She returns wearing a plastic apron and a small towel which she hands to me and says for you to wear.

She then takes me to steam room and leaves me for about 10 minutes. She then takes me to another room where there is a very large marble slab with towels arranged on it. She has me lay down on my back on the towels and scrapes me down. Then she does my back. Then she turns me back again and and scrubs me all over with a big sponge and lots of soap bubbles. She carefully positions the towel to scrub my legs up to my hips and repeats for both sides. I note at this point a lady is on the otherside being washed by another nurse. My nurse indicates that I should turn over and she scrubs my back and legs. Then she pulls the towel off and scrubs my bare bottom. She pulls my cheeks apart and scrubs me then pushes my legs apart and scrubs my balls. Then she indicates for me to turn again and in full view of the other lady soaps up my balls and dick. Then she rinses me off and indicates for me to follow her naked past the other nurse and lady. She takes me to a room and drys me off. This has by now got me hard and she, without a word, takes hold of my dick and gives an expert handjob.

Totally unexpected and she didnt ask for any money for it although I did leave her a good tip.

WOW that sounds like a great experience! I was there years ago on business but the Turkish baths were touted as not being a sanitary situation to experience and I had nothing to compare it to.

Kudos to you 4 describing that with such vivid details I feel almost like I was walking beside you through your experience.

It's amazing what different cultures do routinely. I know in places like Japan the community toilets are just that, for either sex and usually a hole in the ground. I guess it all depends on how you were raised. I would have a hard time doing what you did. Thanks for the post.

This was amazing to read... I used to live in Turkey, and never had an experience like this. Though I did my daily bathing at home, I did go to a Turkish bath house once, out of curiosity (it was one of the most famous ones, in the Taksim district in Istanbul.) Though some of the procedures were comparable (like the marble slab with towels, and the heavy scrubbing, sans attention to cleft or genitals), the facility was entirely segregated (no women in the bath for men, and (I assume) vice versa), and there was no offer of sexual services.

On the other hand (n.p.i.), I’ve heard that prostitution is legal in Turkey, and that establishments offering sex for money are licensed by the government. If this is still true under the government of the self-styled “religious” political party now in control of the country, it seems logical that some venues for sexual services would combine them with traditional bath services. Sounds like you were in one such.

On the other hand (n.p.i.), I’ve heard that prostitution is legal in Turkey, and that establishments offering sex for money are licensed by the government. If this is still true under the government of the self-styled “religious” political party now in control of the country, it seems logical that some venues for sexual services would combine them with traditional bath services. Sounds like you were in one such.

This what wiki says;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Turkey

Maybe the present government in Turkey is phasing out brothels quietly instead of doing it with a Big Bang and lots of hooplala like the French government did in 1946 ...

Maybe if prostitution was legalized, regulated and taxed in this country, we could pay off the National Debt.

In my comment above, while I know most, if not all churches and religious leaders, and many, many people would be against legalizing prostitution, they need to realize that there is a reason why prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. It has always gone on and will always go on and it is in every country in the world. Sex is just too powerful and it is the driving force behind those seeking out prostitutes. If it were legalized, then it could be placed away from the cities and walled off, regulated, taxed, medical checkups would be done on a weekly basis on the women (and men) who service the patrons, safe sex practices would have to be mandatory and the workers could be protected from crime and violence. Laws would have to be passed so if you were violent against a woman, you go on trial and go to jail.

All of that said, I must also add that most wives and spouses would be against legalizing prostitution for obvious reasons. But remember that it is already legal in certain counties in Nevada, but not in Clark County where Las Vegas is located. We have tried to legislate peoples morals in the U.S. before. Think the constitutional amendment on Prohibition. How did that work out. Not to well. During Prohibition you could still buy a drink in any city in the country at a "speakeasy". Also, Prohibition was the driving force that gave rise to the organized crime families we are still dealing with long after Prohibition was repealed by another constitutional amendment.

Please keep in mind that I AM NOT FOR legalizing prostitution, but I do see rational arguments for that position. Just something to think about.

If it were legalized, then it could be placed away from the cities and walled off, .

I live some 5 minutes walk away from our legal and well regulated red light district in Antwerp. It is certainly not walled off, anyone can walk through. In fact, it is quite near our large municipal museum and depending on how one walks, going through the streets comprising the district is the shortest way. I have seen many a group of school children being taken via those streets to the museum, and not a peep of trouble ever seems to come of it. The same for tourists, many of whom expressly come that way.

From what I know of red light districts in Belgium and the Netherlands, they are all in city centers, often in part of the old historic town centers like near harbor areas and they are certainly not walled off.

In Spain, however the common practice seems to be in large buildings located along busy roads. The highway south from Madrid is full of such establishments with names in neon which make very clear what they offer. Sometimes small brothels or streetworkers can be find in city centers as well, but not openly advertised as such. Apparently one has to know the code.

So just saying that walling off is not common practice at all. In fact, if you think about it, there is more anonymity if one walks to a red light district/brothel than if one drives a car with license plate and all up to a building. And putting walls around a place would tend to keep customers away.

they need to realize that there is a reason why prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. It has always gone on and will always go on and it is in every country in the world. Sex is just too powerful and it is the driving force behind those seeking out prostitutes. .

In many large cities, certainly harbor towns or places that are transportation hubs with large numbers of logistical centers where truckers come, prostitution tends to diminish brawling and public fighting. There was a historic reason why cities like Amsterdam or Hamburg or Antwerp had large red light districts. Sailors coming into port after a long voyage were horny and came looking for drink and women once ashore. And not always diplomatic or refined and cultured about it either.

So, if the good and upstanding citizens of such citizens wished to keep daughters and wives safes from unruly sailors or teamsters, the smart move is to allow prostitution, to take off the pressure, to keep the peace.

Even a Dutch Reformed city like otherwise historically dour and boring Amsterdam, realized that in everyone's best interests - and also being quite helpful taxation wise - it would be a good thing, all things considered, to allow prostitution.

So yes, sex is a powerful driving force, but one of the main reasons it is condoned is that it helps curb public violence and protects the virtue and honor of the female higher classes.

I understand what you are saying in both of the above posts and agree with you. But in the USA, people get all upset if a topless club is within a certain distance of a church, school or private housing and they have been closed down and forced to move because of it, too. Lets face it, people here in the USA are way too uptight when it comes to sex or nudity of any kind. It has only been in the last few years you could show a model in a bra or panties in a advertisement on American television. Yes, way too uptight. Playboy magazines had to either be behind the counter, way up on an upper shelf or in a plastic wrapper to keep underage kids from seeing the cover or opening one. That's why I said "it could be placed away from the cities and walled off". If it were walled off, parking would need to be inside that wall to keep the license plates from being seen. Even so if we did it that way, someone or some religious organization would put a camera the entrance and advertise the plate numbers as they went in or out. So walling it off wouldn't work either. I also see your reasons for not walling it off.

Still in this country it will never be accepted I think. We have too much Puritanism religion in us and the belief in the sanctity of marriage AND it being monogamous. However, I may need to reconsider my being against legal prostitution. Thanks for your comments.

How do wives in Belgium deal with husbands going to prostitutes as I feel surely at least some do?

How do wives in Belgium deal with husbands going to prostitutes as I feel surely at least some do?

I have no real idea. I don't think that it is considered something that occurs in a normal marriage. At least not if things are fine and working out in the sex department. Or else just considered to be letting off steam, much like getting drunk in the weekends occasionally.

I suppose it would be considered less of a problem than husbands making passes at wives of other friends or trying to pick up someone for sex. Then there would be the complicating elements of forming a personal attraction, feelings of whatever kind of attachment. All much worse in consequences than sex with a working girl.

Anyway, among my friends and acquaintances, I have never heard anything on this subject. I have the impression that many customers or at least those frequenting the district at night are single, from an immigrant background, a bit down and out or sometimes groups of men out for an evening trying to prove their masculinity by drinking and ogling the girls. I also see a lot of older men, I would guess in their 70's, probably widows perhaps.

In the daytime, all manner of people pass by and through because it lies on the route to somewhere or else because they live nearby. The adjacent area has seen a recent upsurge of construction of trendy (and expensive) housing. Smart developers got hold of older nearby buildings that were not earmarked by the city for prostitution and renovated them. Come to think of it, smart developers also bought up buildings that were earmarked for prostitution. When i still had a furniture shop back in the 1990's, I had a good customer who bought things for his many rental apartments. He had quite a number and also bought a brothel as well. He bought some furniture from me for the place and gave me a grand tour when i came to deliver. It was a big investment he said, but should be worth it.

In my comment above, while I know most, if not all churches and religious leaders, and many, many people would be against legalizing prostitution, they need to realize that there is a reason why prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. It has always gone on and will always go on and it is in every country in the world. Sex is just too powerful and it is the driving force behind those seeking out prostitutes.

IMO, the most powerful argument against legalizing prostitution is that there is evidence that by expanding the market, legalization increases human trafficking, instead of reducing it. Forcing people into sex work is an abomination.

I do hear the other side's argument, that if two consenting adults want to enter into a transaction that involves sex for money or other material gain, it is absolutely none of the government's business.

That kind of arrangement also exists in millions of marriages where one partner wouldn't choose to have sex with the other if a home, shared bank accounts, etc., didn't depend on sharing a bed. You don't see governments and self-appointed sex police trying to outlaw that.

(BTW, I hope that description doesn't apply to most marriages.) Also IMO, loving sex is the best sex.

IMO, the most powerful argument against legalizing prostitution is that there is evidence that by expanding the market, legalization increases human trafficking, instead of reducing it. Forcing people into sex work is an abomination.

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Why would legalization, which involves all kinds of government control and inspection mechanisms, not to mention a spate of new rules and regulations that must be adhered to, increase illegal trafficking? Compliance is easier and more profitable in the long run than illegality.

Of course there is the Prohibition Analogy to consider. Making something illegal often increases profitability. And no longer necessitates adherence to rules, laws and regulations. Criminal elements do prefer that, otherwise losing their monopoly on the activity.

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I would think that forcing people into any kind of work is an abomination, be it in mining, sweatshop employment or any number of underpaid, dangerous and unhealthy work.

IMO, the most powerful argument against legalizing prostitution is that there is evidence that by expanding the market, legalization increases human trafficking, instead of reducing it. Forcing people into sex work is an abomination.

Where is this evidence?? That is a speculative theory - not proof. I would expect legalized prostitution would reduce the market for human trafficking. Even if legalized, there would still be street whores who couldn't/wouldn't meet health requirements or pay taxes etc. - but overall, I would expect illegal prostitution to be reduced. there are several articles on the "Pros" and Cons" of legalizing prostitution, from what I see the "Cons" apply whether it is legal or not.

"selling your body is unethical and immoral"....Not my opinion, you can do what you want with your body.

"STI spread ....," why would that increase with legal - vs illegal prostitution???....

Prostitution will be there whether it is legal or not. A lot of the push against it is the religious factions - many of whom visit (illegal) prostitutes on the sly.

I would think it would be in the best interest of all to legalize Prostitution. Stop and think about it! If it is done correctly and strict laws that are enforced what is the big deal? The woman/men selling their "wares" need certificates of health. They can't be on the streets. They must have regular drug tests as well as STD testing. There needs to be some sort of "entertainment" tax no PIMPS! or the other illegal activity such as human trafficking. This has been working in Nevada for years. I realize that the "noble experiment" with prohibition was a bust. BUT! lets face there was so much corrupt local city government at that time, not that there still isn't, but I don't think it's as bad as it was during the days of Boss Tweed and Taminy Hall. I think if it were done correctly it could be a good thing. Lets face it, you will never stop it so you might as well do what you can to control it!

Where is this evidence??

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/45198/1/Neumayer_Legalized_Prostitution_Increase_2012.pdf

http://lastradainternational.org/doc-center/1151/trafficking-in-human-beings-first-report-of-the-dutch-national-rapporteur

"selling your body is unethical and immoral"....Not my opinion, you can do what you want with your body.

I'm with you on this one. I have never said that selling one's own body is unethical or immoral, and I don't believe it is.

As I mentioned earlier, I agree with Libertarians, in arguing that when consenting adults decide to have sex that involves a participant receiving some form of material benefit, it is absolutely none of the government's (or community's) business.

Unfortunately, as the situation in the Netherlands and elsewhere (see citations below) indicates, knowing who is consenting and who isn't, is no easy matter. This is not a simple issue, and more has to be done to prevent sexual slavery.

I hope that something along the lines of the recommendations in the Dutch national report will be implemented there and in other settings: legalization of prostitution, with expanded enforcement against all human traffickers... and especially those who try to exploit legalization as a cover for coercion. (See also recommendations in the Conclusions section of the Cho, Dreher and Neumayer article.)

As agracier said, forced labor of any kind is wrong. From my own perspective, forcing someone into sexual acts is particularly horrifying and repugnant.

Consenting adults having sex for which one receives money, is not horrifying or repugnant... any more than someone providing a non-sexual massage, counseling, or any other form of care for money, would be. IMO, all of these can be beautiful... and the fact that one receives money for his/her service does not change that.

I thought the first article was interesting and informative. There are views that support either side of the issue. Thank you!

Legalized forced prostitution is highly probable by some of the lowlife out there! Hard to enforce laws when the women are vulnerable and intimidated.

I thought the first article was interesting and informative. There are views that support either side of the issue. Thank you!

My pleasure. That article forced me to reexamine my own earlier opinion, that prostitution should be legal everywhere. Given their data, though, I'm thinking it should be legalized where law enforcement is prepared and willing to identify and prevent cases where prostitutes have been forced into sex work, and shut down the traffickers.

Whether prostitution is legal or not - and whether law enforcement can handle it or not - it's gonna be out there.

There are criminals in virtually any kind of job you can think of. And by that I mean people who do not abide by the rules and regulations and laws especially created for that specific type of work. Be it in banking, manufacturing, policing, construction and so on and on ... there is no end to the number of cases that are brought into courts.

And yet, despite the number of infractions and often very negative outcomes for numerous people involved (which in cases of financial fraud for instance can number in the tens of thousands) no one ever demands that the whole sector be made illegal and closed down.

But that does happen with prostitution. Just a few instances are necessary and wham, the moralists and religious zealots will be howling for blood and demanding total closure of everything and anything related.

I totally agree we as a society need to rethink many things which treat woman unfairly. Just to throw something for thought, go watch the movie, The Escort(2016) and see how the subject is treated. To me, and men play a big part in this, it is about power, control, money and sex. Thankfully the Me Too movement is helping combat these issues and as in the high profile cases we see in the news. Yes, many of these men are talented individuals in there professions but no excuse for letting them get away with what they have done for a long time. We all make mistakes and errors in judgement from time to time, but these people were permitted to get away with it repeatedly with no consequences and in many cases covered up.

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But that does happen with prostitution. Just a few instances are necessary and wham, the moralists and religious zealots will be howling for blood and demanding total closure of everything and anything related.

Indeed. The same thing happens with shootings and gun control... Certain subjects lead to such strong opinions that are based upon a person's own sense of morality, that the ability to discuss it rationally and even consider that the other side might have a few good points becomes almost impossible.

As noted earlier, the most concerning problem with legalized prostitution is the potential for expanded human trafficking. I haven't read the articles posted above yet, but it does seem counterintuitive that a better regulated sex industry would lead to more of the bad behavior, but unintended consequences really do happen. I think human trafficking must be one of the most appalling and despicable activities that occurs today, and the frequency with which I hear about it happening in places where you would think "That can't happen there!" is downright scary.

In the US, I think only Nevada has legalized prostitution and stuck with it. As far as I know, they've managed to do so without leading to additional negative consequences, although I'm no expert. IIRC, a documentary I watched on it once did emphasize how their regulation was very strictly enforced, and very heavily weighted towards the health and safety of the sex workers themselves (over the facilities or customers) which seems like a good way to go!

I heard this from a comedian so I cannot take credit it for it. First of all I apologize to our friends of the Jewish faith as it is not my intent to offend anyone! Somehow I can vision this. Almost as if it were taken from a scene from "Fiddler on the Roof"

The comedian said, "Well it's like the Jewish Madam said, It's not such a bad business, you got it, you sell it, you still have it! How could you go wrong?"

And as that wonderful lady of the theatre, Elaine Stritch said, As she was relating her years on the stage with live theatre, "It's like the Prostitute said, It's not the work! It's the stares"

I used to stay at a hotel in Germany quite frequently. In their fitness center they had separate changing rooms/lockers for men and women, but the sauna was mixed, and clothing was not optional. I enjoyed the feeling of freedom from being naked in a semi-public area. I went there one day, and when I opened the glass door to the sauna I found that the place was packed with people. The only place available to sit was on the lower bench right by the door. I spread my towel on the bench and sat down for a good sweat. After a few minutes, some young girls, about seven and nine years old came running up to find their parents. They stopped at the glass door and looked in. There I was, naked and sitting on my towel with these two little girls staring at my dick. Very unusual for an American, I can tell you.